Engine: D5: - Soot Filter driving me crazy...HELP !

tangey · Jan 14th, 2008, 10:39

Dec 2006, I bought a brand new S60 D5, my first ever Volvo and indeed my first Diesel.

Since then the Soot filter has been giving me problems. About 4-5 weeks after purchase I got "soot filter full- see manual", followed a few hrs later with "Engine System, service required" (or something like that) with the Engine going to about 1/2 power or less. Was told this was due to my driving style and that the soot filter need re-generating.

So religiously after that, as soon as I see the SOOT filter message I go for a 20-30 min run, and the message goes away.

Yesterday "soot filter full" came on the display, this is only around 3 weeks after the last full service. It wasn't suitable to go for a run, so went to do it today, but too late I'm back on 1/2 power with the "Engine system" message back on. Tried a 60 miles run, no good. 0-60 is around 25 seconds.

Phoned dealer, and have to book in for regeneration.

I have a couple of questions:-

1) I only do short runs, 6500Miles per year, I told the dealer this at time of purchase, and he could see that from my 3year old 20,000 trade-in. Shouldn't the dealer tell me Volvo diesel engine isn't suitable for me.

2) Having spoke to the service dept today, they have confirmed this is a "thing" with Volvo diesels. Are they really telling me that no modern Volvo deisel car is capable of constant short runs without having to keep going back to the dealer ? Or put another way their diesels exclude certain driving styles. Its not that I'm a slow driver, I love the power and torque of the Engine, its just that I only do a big run every 2-3 months

3) Is there no way I can re-generate this myself, once its went to the "engine system stage". My dealer is 70 miles away, its basically a full day off work.

Its went from being a mild annoyance to seriously considering taking a big hit on the price and getting something else.

Jet2 D5 · Jan 14th, 2008, 19:54

Extend my sympathy, found myself in the same situation the dealer staff knowledge was nil (on purchase) until I started to enlighten them with a few operational facts.

There are a number of postings on this subject on the various forums but have concluded that searches no longer appear too specific, can recommend XC 90 forum: Service Issues: XC90 D5 engine DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter)

All you can do is mitigate the situation, watch out on the instant mpg read out for a big reduction from normal and then you could use a lower gear to speed things up, bear in mind regeneration will not start until operating temperature is achieved. If it does not complete it carries over to the next time.

I have had regeneration over 5 legs covering 40 miles and effectively lasting 70 min, if you are lucky to be doing 60+ it completes in about 15 min.

Clan · Jan 14th, 2008, 20:14

The way this works is that regeneration happens on average every tank of fuel , so if you dont have a 20 minute run on the motorway at least once or twice a tankful you will get a message "Soot Filter full"
There are three stages to this
1 What you must do IF this message comes up is to go for a 20 minute motorway run as soon as possible . This will regenerate the filter and all is ok . YOU fix the problem , there will be a fault code stored in the sytem to let the service people know what's been happening .

2 If you ignore the message then it will go into limp mode and this regeneration will have to be done at the dealer on the computer , it takes over half an hour . And 2 codes will be stored to indicate that the first soot message was ignored ...

The third stage , if you ignore the limp mode for long , you will have to buy a new particle filter .

The emissions are very clean on this engine if you look at the tail pipe it will be clean with no soot . The particle filter is how this is achieved and with average driving you won't get a problem . You don't need an additive topping up every 36000 miles OR the particulate filter changing at 72000 miles as the Ford based engine in the s40/V50
Also a motorway trip will do ANY car a lot of good if its mainly used for short runs .....so make a small alteration to your driving and you wont even get the soot message at all .

Viper_7 · Jan 14th, 2008, 20:34

So I understand this better- I thought this filter from what I've read, is something that needs "regenerating" when it's stopped enough soot - and it does this by burning it off. So sure if you only do short trips, It never gets the chance to clean itself.

what I don't understand from a few comments is the requirement to go on the motorway for a high speed run I presume? Surely just any 20 min drive would be long enough and to get the car up to temperature to do the job.

This time of year the engine takes a good 7 miles to get warm, and run efficiently, anything shorter and yes it will get sooted up quite quickly, and yes this vehicle isn't really suited to short runs - no large engine car is.

vipes

tangey · Jan 14th, 2008, 21:35

Thank you for the replies, and the very helpful pointer to the XC90 forum.

Just for the record, on the most recent incident (and as I type I am waiting to go to the dealer this friday for manual regeneration), the distance between "soot filter full" and "limp mode" was about 5 miles, and 1 cold start.

Having looked at the manual previously I seem to recall it stating that the soot filter "full" comes on when its at 80% capacity.

Clearly there is little point in having a warning light give you no more than 5 miles warning, when a light comes on its just not convienent sometimes to drive 20 miles "there and then"

mhon72 · Jan 14th, 2008, 23:22

And use a decent branded diesel fuel.
On the subject of which, anyone used the Shell V-Power diesel? I've had good experience with the petrol but what about the black stuff?

avdagicr · Mar 24th, 2011, 18:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clan

The way this works is that regeneration happens on average every tank of fuel , so if you dont have a 20 minute run on the motorway at least once or twice a tankful you will get a message "Soot Filter full"
There are three stages to this
1 What you must do IF this message comes up is to go for a 20 minute motorway run as soon as possible . This will regenerate the filter and all is ok . YOU fix the problem , there will be a fault code stored in the sytem to let the service people know what's been happening .

2 If you ignore the message then it will go into limp mode and this regeneration will have to be done at the dealer on the computer , it takes over half an hour . And 2 codes will be stored to indicate that the first soot message was ignored ...

The third stage , if you ignore the limp mode for long , you will have to buy a new particle filter .

The emissions are very clean on this engine if you look at the tail pipe it will be clean with no soot . The particle filter is how this is achieved and with average driving you won't get a problem . You don't need an additive topping up every 36000 miles OR the particulate filter changing at 72000 miles as the Ford based engine in the s40/V50
Also a motorway trip will do ANY car a lot of good if its mainly used for short runs .....so make a small alteration to your driving and you wont even get the soot message at all .

I did it today on mine S 60,150000 km, 2.4, 130 HP, 2002 model even I do not have " Soot filter full" mesage. I am not sure that my car have this, either this kind of filter and or this kind of warning mesage. Drove 20 km at 4 th and start with 2200 rpm and slowly increase rpm. At the end speed was 130 km/h with 3300 rpm. Take off high way and .................................................. .......
No coment like a rocket but I realy meen ROCKET. I was so happy .....
Later I have to go to the supermarket to buy something. Again speed up is excelente, sound beautiful ............................until i came again " engine service required" and limp mode. What did I do wrong??????
May be I have to go on the high way again ???? I will try this weekend for 30 min with same rpm and speed i order to see !!!!!
Any sugestion

Clan · Mar 24th, 2011, 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by avdagicr

I did it today on mine S 60,150000 km, 2.4, 130 HP, 2002 model even I do not have " Soot filter full" mesage. I am not sure that my car have this, either this kind of filter and or this kind of warning mesage. Drove 20 km at 4 th and start with 2200 rpm and slowly increase rpm. At the end speed was 130 km/h with 3300 rpm. Take off high way and .................................................. .......
No coment like a rocket but I realy meen ROCKET. I was so happy .....
Later I have to go to the supermarket to buy something. Again speed up is excelente, sound beautiful ............................until i came again " engine service required" and limp mode. What did I do wrong??????
May be I have to go on the high way again ???? I will try this weekend for 30 min with same rpm and speed i order to see !!!!!
Any sugestion

No this has nothing to do with your 2002 car it doesnt have this particle filter and regeneration system

Farmer Tim · Apr 5th, 2011, 18:39

Just wanted to thanks for a very useful thread. I recently bought a V70 D5 SE 185 6speed. But when I gave it some wellie the soot filter full warning came up. After reading this thread I gave the regeneration process a try on a long run today. First off I tried 3000rpm in 5th gear on a 40min dual carriage way run. But that didn't work. So I then tried 80mph in 4th at around 3800rpm for a fuel guzzling 40 mins.
That seems to have done the trick. The rest of the trip back it was full of beans and effortless power for overtaking.

dadsbank · May 10th, 2011, 09:46

i got same problem,,, limp mode when trying too boot it,, i do short trips daily, maybe 6 miles,, but i do not get any messages,, car just goes in to a limp mode condition, but if i boot the balls out of it up and down a carriageway it takes off like a 737 jet... changed fuel filter etc, and used forte diesel cleaner. so does this mean my volvo d5 s60 only prefers 80mph 0 to 60 8 secs driving,, oh dear, i dont have a pilots licence, this is so wrong, how can volvo not seen this **** up installing a particulate filter not taking into consideration drivers of low mileage use.... maybe its time to replace with the vw passat 1.9d or is the same ...

Jan 14th, 2008, 10:39	#1
tangey Member Last Online: Jan 13th, 2020 16:43 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: belfast	Soot Filter driving me crazy...HELP ! Dec 2006, I bought a brand new S60 D5, my first ever Volvo and indeed my first Diesel. Since then the Soot filter has been giving me problems. About 4-5 weeks after purchase I got "soot filter full- see manual", followed a few hrs later with "Engine System, service required" (or something like that) with the Engine going to about 1/2 power or less. Was told this was due to my driving style and that the soot filter need re-generating. So religiously after that, as soon as I see the SOOT filter message I go for a 20-30 min run, and the message goes away. Yesterday "soot filter full" came on the display, this is only around 3 weeks after the last full service. It wasn't suitable to go for a run, so went to do it today, but too late I'm back on 1/2 power with the "Engine system" message back on. Tried a 60 miles run, no good. 0-60 is around 25 seconds. Phoned dealer, and have to book in for regeneration. I have a couple of questions:- 1) I only do short runs, 6500Miles per year, I told the dealer this at time of purchase, and he could see that from my 3year old 20,000 trade-in. Shouldn't the dealer tell me Volvo diesel engine isn't suitable for me. 2) Having spoke to the service dept today, they have confirmed this is a "thing" with Volvo diesels. Are they really telling me that no modern Volvo deisel car is capable of constant short runs without having to keep going back to the dealer ? Or put another way their diesels exclude certain driving styles. Its not that I'm a slow driver, I love the power and torque of the Engine, its just that I only do a big run every 2-3 months 3) Is there no way I can re-generate this myself, once its went to the "engine system stage". My dealer is 70 miles away, its basically a full day off work. Its went from being a mild annoyance to seriously considering taking a big hit on the price and getting something else.

Jan 14th, 2008, 19:54	#2
Jet2 D5 VOC Member Last Online: Dec 4th, 2023 17:41 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Leeds	Particulate filter Extend my sympathy, found myself in the same situation the dealer staff knowledge was nil (on purchase) until I started to enlighten them with a few operational facts. There are a number of postings on this subject on the various forums but have concluded that searches no longer appear too specific, can recommend XC 90 forum: Service Issues: XC90 D5 engine DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) All you can do is mitigate the situation, watch out on the instant mpg read out for a big reduction from normal and then you could use a lower gear to speed things up, bear in mind regeneration will not start until operating temperature is achieved. If it does not complete it carries over to the next time. I have had regeneration over 5 legs covering 40 miles and effectively lasting 70 min, if you are lucky to be doing 60+ it completes in about 15 min. __________________ 2001/02 S60 2.0T (Manual) 2005/06 S60 D5 SE (Manual)

Jan 14th, 2008, 20:14	#3
Clan Experienced Member Last Online: Yesterday 23:54 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: L/H side	The way this works is that regeneration happens on average every tank of fuel , so if you dont have a 20 minute run on the motorway at least once or twice a tankful you will get a message "Soot Filter full" There are three stages to this 1 What you must do IF this message comes up is to go for a 20 minute motorway run as soon as possible . This will regenerate the filter and all is ok . YOU fix the problem , there will be a fault code stored in the sytem to let the service people know what's been happening . 2 If you ignore the message then it will go into limp mode and this regeneration will have to be done at the dealer on the computer , it takes over half an hour . And 2 codes will be stored to indicate that the first soot message was ignored ... The third stage , if you ignore the limp mode for long , you will have to buy a new particle filter . The emissions are very clean on this engine if you look at the tail pipe it will be clean with no soot . The particle filter is how this is achieved and with average driving you won't get a problem . You don't need an additive topping up every 36000 miles OR the particulate filter changing at 72000 miles as the Ford based engine in the s40/V50 Also a motorway trip will do ANY car a lot of good if its mainly used for short runs .....so make a small alteration to your driving and you wont even get the soot message at all . __________________ My comments are only based on my opinions and vast experience .

Jan 14th, 2008, 20:34	#4
Viper_7 Premier Member Last Online: Aug 30th, 2013 17:33 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: York	So I understand this better- I thought this filter from what I've read, is something that needs "regenerating" when it's stopped enough soot - and it does this by burning it off. So sure if you only do short trips, It never gets the chance to clean itself. what I don't understand from a few comments is the requirement to go on the motorway for a high speed run I presume? Surely just any 20 min drive would be long enough and to get the car up to temperature to do the job. This time of year the engine takes a good 7 miles to get warm, and run efficiently, anything shorter and yes it will get sooted up quite quickly, and yes this vehicle isn't really suited to short runs - no large engine car is. vipes __________________ S60 D5 SE 2004 Titanium Grey Winter Pack Mods: Volvo Tax disc holder - increases power output by 5% Child Seat Rear and side Volvo fitted blinds. Tree Sap from May - July. Removed at least 46 cup holders for weight reduction.

Jan 14th, 2008, 23:22	#6
mhon72 Master Member Last Online: Feb 17th, 2024 12:34 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Clevedon View Photos By: mhon72	And use a decent branded diesel fuel. On the subject of which, anyone used the Shell V-Power diesel? I've had good experience with the petrol but what about the black stuff? __________________ 2015 XC70 D4 AWD SE Lux

Jan 14th, 2008, 21:35	#5
tangey Member Last Online: Jan 13th, 2020 16:43 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: belfast	Thank you for the replies, and the very helpful pointer to the XC90 forum. Just for the record, on the most recent incident (and as I type I am waiting to go to the dealer this friday for manual regeneration), the distance between "soot filter full" and "limp mode" was about 5 miles, and 1 cold start. Having looked at the manual previously I seem to recall it stating that the soot filter "full" comes on when its at 80% capacity. Clearly there is little point in having a warning light give you no more than 5 miles warning, when a light comes on its just not convienent sometimes to drive 20 miles "there and then"

Apr 5th, 2011, 18:39	#9
Farmer Tim Member Last Online: Nov 28th, 2012 13:45 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Leeds	Just wanted to thanks for a very useful thread. I recently bought a V70 D5 SE 185 6speed. But when I gave it some wellie the soot filter full warning came up. After reading this thread I gave the regeneration process a try on a long run today. First off I tried 3000rpm in 5th gear on a 40min dual carriage way run. But that didn't work. So I then tried 80mph in 4th at around 3800rpm for a fuel guzzling 40 mins. That seems to have done the trick. The rest of the trip back it was full of beans and effortless power for overtaking.

May 10th, 2011, 09:46	#10
dadsbank New Member Last Online: May 10th, 2011 15:22 Join Date: May 2011 Location: west glamorgan	i got same problem,,, limp mode when trying too boot it,, i do short trips daily, maybe 6 miles,, but i do not get any messages,, car just goes in to a limp mode condition, but if i boot the balls out of it up and down a carriageway it takes off like a 737 jet... changed fuel filter etc, and used forte diesel cleaner. so does this mean my volvo d5 s60 only prefers 80mph 0 to 60 8 secs driving,, oh dear, i dont have a pilots licence, this is so wrong, how can volvo not seen this **** up installing a particulate filter not taking into consideration drivers of low mileage use.... maybe its time to replace with the vw passat 1.9d or is the same ...

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