Back Wheel Squeak

NCS XC90 · Sep 29th, 2010, 19:59

I have developed a back wheel squeak. I put it down to the pads. Too the wheel off tonight to measure the disk and ensure I get the correct pads (not sure if there are only two size disks on the front or if there are two sizes at the rear as well). On turning the hub I got the feeling the noise was not coming from the pads (they do need changing though but probably not quite worn out). I backed off the drake piston to rule out the pads and the noise was still present. Putting the handbrake on (which is applied by your foot ) there was effectively no handbrake on that side. I don’t really use the handbrake, I leave it in park (I don’t like the cluck sound when you release the handbrake). However on this occasion I think it’s come to bight me in the bum. I used the handbrake a few weeks back when parked on a hill. I think it must have stuck engaged on this side and hence I’ve worn out the pads.
That’s my analysis, any other views before I take the disk off the find out (wheel bearing?). There didn’t seem to be any play in any of the ball joints or wheel bearing (I always check this whenever I have the wheel in the air). Not critical, I will find out what it is, and I have the use of another car so don’t have to get the parts until it’s all in bits and I can see what I need. Just interested to see if anyone comes to another conclusion
Neil

400-ascona · Sep 29th, 2010, 20:17

If you drove with the handbrake seized you may be able to see signs of blueing on the drum portion. Not sure why it would continue to squeak, but worth trying that first. Taking the caliper off is easy (2 off 13mm bolts), hang the caliper up out of the way, remove the 10mm bolt holds the disc on. Once you have removed the handbrake shoes, put the disc back on and see if the squeak is still there. If it is you may have cooked the grease out of the bearing, or just finished of an almost gone bearing. Often on modern bearings you can't feel play in them when they are gone. Either way buy new clips when you put the handbrake shoes back in as they lose tension over time. If it is the bearing, soak the rear of the driveshaft splines in WD, as they rust in and can be a nightmare to get out. The longer it soaks, the better yor chances!

Ron_XC90 · Sep 29th, 2010, 20:20

Not sure which MY you have or how many miles, but wheel bearings are a common issue on the earlier models

NCS XC90 · Sep 29th, 2010, 22:45

Hi it's MY04 (plate 53) so pretty early and 75k miles. I'm guessing that the handbrake stuck on based on the fact it now does not work on that side. However I must admit I have not felt any drag as if it was stuck on. Although if it just one side it might not be that obvious. I think it’s a suck it and see, take it to bits and see if it still squeaks without any of the brakes on in which case it’s got to be the bearing. Sounds like a pig of a job.
Plan to take it to bits tomorrow night and order the parts on Friday. At least I'll have time to paint it all nicely like "Bestgear"

Neil

NCS XC90 · Sep 30th, 2010, 22:06

Well I got home late tonight and stripped the wheel back following this useful thread by David -
http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=104691

I took the brake pads off and the squeak was still present. I took the disk of (took a little persuasion to separate from the hub) and a load of bit fell on the floor. I’ve taken some photos and hope this works (again thanks David)

http://s1117.photobucket.com/albums/...t=SAM_1112.jpg

You can see on this next one that there is nothing left on the handbrake shoes

http://s1117.photobucket.com/albums/...t=SAM_1115.jpg

You can see some of the bits (shoe lining) which fell out when I took the disk off (next to the disk)–

http://s1117.photobucket.com/albums/...t=SAM_1113.jpg
A lot more fell out when I shook the shoes. –

http://s1117.photobucket.com/albums/...t=SAM_1116.jpg

Brake pads were a little worse than I thought – definitely at the end of their life –

http://s1117.photobucket.com/albums/...8.jpg&newest=1

With all this removed there is no squeak. I took of the bolt to look into the hub just to check if there was grease in or if it had melted away. Grease present and all looked very good. I don’t think I have a wheel bearing problem.
So its pads, shoes and springs for the shoes (wouldn’t normally change them but seems logical given the problem I have had). Then I just need to understand if the hand brake mechanism is stuck or working.

Neil

Sep 29th, 2010, 19:59	#1
NCS XC90 Member Last Online: Oct 15th, 2018 21:19 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Warrington	Back Wheel Squeak I have developed a back wheel squeak. I put it down to the pads. Too the wheel off tonight to measure the disk and ensure I get the correct pads (not sure if there are only two size disks on the front or if there are two sizes at the rear as well). On turning the hub I got the feeling the noise was not coming from the pads (they do need changing though but probably not quite worn out). I backed off the drake piston to rule out the pads and the noise was still present. Putting the handbrake on (which is applied by your foot ) there was effectively no handbrake on that side. I don’t really use the handbrake, I leave it in park (I don’t like the cluck sound when you release the handbrake). However on this occasion I think it’s come to bight me in the bum. I used the handbrake a few weeks back when parked on a hill. I think it must have stuck engaged on this side and hence I’ve worn out the pads. That’s my analysis, any other views before I take the disk off the find out (wheel bearing?). There didn’t seem to be any play in any of the ball joints or wheel bearing (I always check this whenever I have the wheel in the air). Not critical, I will find out what it is, and I have the use of another car so don’t have to get the parts until it’s all in bits and I can see what I need. Just interested to see if anyone comes to another conclusion Neil

Sep 29th, 2010, 20:17	#2
400-ascona Premier Member Last Online: Apr 19th, 2024 10:05 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Derby	If you drove with the handbrake seized you may be able to see signs of blueing on the drum portion. Not sure why it would continue to squeak, but worth trying that first. Taking the caliper off is easy (2 off 13mm bolts), hang the caliper up out of the way, remove the 10mm bolt holds the disc on. Once you have removed the handbrake shoes, put the disc back on and see if the squeak is still there. If it is you may have cooked the grease out of the bearing, or just finished of an almost gone bearing. Often on modern bearings you can't feel play in them when they are gone. Either way buy new clips when you put the handbrake shoes back in as they lose tension over time. If it is the bearing, soak the rear of the driveshaft splines in WD, as they rust in and can be a nightmare to get out. The longer it soaks, the better yor chances! __________________ 1997 V70R AWD, Saffron, Manual; Lotus Carlton; Ascona 400; Mini Cooper S Works; 4.2 Supercharged Range Rover; Land Rover Discovery 4; Suzuki GSF1200N; BMW R80/7; Velocette Venom; Daimler V8 250. Last edited by 400-ascona; Sep 29th, 2010 at 20:27. Reason: Typo

Sep 29th, 2010, 20:20	#3
Ron_XC90 Master Member Last Online: May 19th, 2014 11:33 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Redditch View Photos By: Ron_XC90	Not sure which MY you have or how many miles, but wheel bearings are a common issue on the earlier models __________________ Chrysler Grand Voyager 2.8 CRD Limited 2010 XC90 D5 SE Geartronic, MY2008 (Now sold) Mitsi Pajero 2.8TD Super Exceed '96 (My Toy) Member of the Gloucestershire & Worcestershire 4x4 Response group. www.gw4x4r.co.uk

Sep 29th, 2010, 22:45	#4
NCS XC90 Member Last Online: Oct 15th, 2018 21:19 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Warrington	Hi it's MY04 (plate 53) so pretty early and 75k miles. I'm guessing that the handbrake stuck on based on the fact it now does not work on that side. However I must admit I have not felt any drag as if it was stuck on. Although if it just one side it might not be that obvious. I think it’s a suck it and see, take it to bits and see if it still squeaks without any of the brakes on in which case it’s got to be the bearing. Sounds like a pig of a job. Plan to take it to bits tomorrow night and order the parts on Friday. At least I'll have time to paint it all nicely like "Bestgear" Neil Last edited by NCS XC90; Sep 29th, 2010 at 22:48. Reason: spelling

Sep 30th, 2010, 22:06	#5
NCS XC90 Member Last Online: Oct 15th, 2018 21:19 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Warrington	Well I got home late tonight and stripped the wheel back following this useful thread by David - http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=104691 I took the brake pads off and the squeak was still present. I took the disk of (took a little persuasion to separate from the hub) and a load of bit fell on the floor. I’ve taken some photos and hope this works (again thanks David) http://s1117.photobucket.com/albums/...t=SAM_1112.jpg You can see on this next one that there is nothing left on the handbrake shoes http://s1117.photobucket.com/albums/...t=SAM_1115.jpg You can see some of the bits (shoe lining) which fell out when I took the disk off (next to the disk)– http://s1117.photobucket.com/albums/...t=SAM_1113.jpg A lot more fell out when I shook the shoes. – http://s1117.photobucket.com/albums/...t=SAM_1116.jpg Brake pads were a little worse than I thought – definitely at the end of their life – http://s1117.photobucket.com/albums/...8.jpg&newest=1 With all this removed there is no squeak. I took of the bolt to look into the hub just to check if there was grease in or if it had melted away. Grease present and all looked very good. I don’t think I have a wheel bearing problem. So its pads, shoes and springs for the shoes (wouldn’t normally change them but seems logical given the problem I have had). Then I just need to understand if the hand brake mechanism is stuck or working. Neil Last edited by NCS XC90; Sep 30th, 2010 at 22:35.

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