Engine: D5: Cam Belt, tooth out of place??

[4candles]

Originally Posted by cheshired5

Regardless of whose pulley is in post #10, your assessment that it's out by 20 teeth is incorrect anyway.
The pulley in post #10 is/was perfectly aligned.
Where do you get 165° out?!! Should've gone to Specsavers.

Seems so, i was asuming that the mark i could see at 5 o'clock was the real mark, dont come johnny lately mate, re read all posts ....

[4candles]

Originally Posted by cheshired5

Regardless of whose pulley is in post #10, your assessment that it's out by 20 teeth is incorrect anyway.
The pulley in post #10 is/was perfectly aligned.
Where do you get 165° out?!! Should've gone to Specsavers.

Yeah, cheshired, have you re read all the posts now?

Then you should have spotted how i concluded CAM timing was out 165 deg.

I have petrol 2.4, my cam marks are on edge of sprockets, on D5 engine, its NOT at edge, but in cam wheel pic (POST 10), there is a mark at 5 O'clock, (20 teeth clockwise), so i seen it as NOT QUITE 180 deg, but estimated 165 deg, which if the mark i seen , and others seen, then yes, it would to all intents and purposes have been 20 teeth and 165 deg out, as there are only 360 deg in one revolution of any wheel, elemental my dear watson.
Yes, i never spotted the real mark, BUT had i been correct about mark at 5 O'clock , i would have been right about the timing Jump. Luckly as it happens, i got the wrong mark ( His PEN mark ) Just clarifying my error.

[cheshired5]

Originally Posted by 4candles

Yeah, cheshired, have you re read all the posts now?

Then you should have spotted how i concluded CAM timing was out 165 deg.

I have petrol 2.4, my cam marks are on edge of sprockets, on D5 engine, its NOT at edge, but in cam wheel pic (POST 10), there is a mark at 5 O'clock, (20 teeth clockwise), so i seen it as NOT QUITE 180 deg, but estimated 165 deg, which if the mar ki seen , and other seen, then yes, it would to all intents and purposes have been 20 teeth and 165 deg out, as there are only 360 deg in one revolution of any wheel, elemental my dear watson.
Yes, i never spotted the real mark, BUT had i been correct about mark at 5 O'clok , i would have been right about the timing Jump. Luckly as it happens, i got the wrong mark ( His PEN mark ) Ergo, thus... etc.

So....... I say you're wrong and you've just typed all this to agree with me?
So you've got lots of good reasons you were wrong? Great.
You were still wrong.
We all make mistakes and to be honest, I wouldn't have jumped on yours had it not been for your obnoxious and unhelpful comments #18 and #20.

Now we're all clear on that, back to helping the O.P.

[4candles]

Originally Posted by cheshired5

So....... I say you're wrong and you've just typed all this to agree with me?
So you've got lots of good reasons you were wrong? Great.
You were still wrong.
We all make mistakes and to be honest, I wouldn't have jumped on yours had it not been for your obnoxious and unhelpful comments #18 and #20.

Now we're all clear on that, back to helping the O.P.

Ooo, Mr Sensitive, obnoxious to you maybe, don't ever high horse me, i may just have more tenacity than you can possibly imagine, so don't troll me with your little Sheriffing ways. END OFF.



chipvito, was not my intention to offend wiith my 'cheeky' wee comments in posts 18 and 20, just the latesness of hour and all that jazz so sorry for if i offended you. I trust you read it as fun as i intended.

And there is NO CHARGE for me walking 10 minutes to get my Haynes manual,
and definately no charge for my mis-information perpetuated by your pen mark, your most welcome ! lol

Cheshire? I hear that all the pussies there have a big grin,,, well, most LOL

[GrahamBrown1]

looking at the original imagine it does appear the cam pulley is 20 teeth out. However this would only be the case if when the belt was changed they used there own marks which they have done as its got tipex on. So lining the pulleys up to the tip mark will show its out of time to the volvo marks but it actually isn't.

[pphilpot]

I'm a bit late to this party, but in this video you can see the guy demonstrate being able to look down at the pulley marks (at 6:10) and you'll see the pulley bolts horizontal before he removes them (at 6:35)

YouTube link

[chiptivo]

Originally Posted by pphilpot

I'm a bit late to this party, but in this video you can see the guy demonstrate being able to look down at the pulley marks (at 6:10) and you'll see the pulley bolts horizontal before he removes them (at 6:35)

YouTube link

Good video, however I just don't see the marks, even on the video!

Coffee in going in, and will go and have a look at the car shortly.. Weather not great!

[chiptivo]

Originally Posted by GrahamBrown1

So still no further forward as to whether the timming is out or not. If you look down from above you should be able to see the timming marks and if you have lined the cam pulley up the crank should be pretty much there as you only think its skipped a tooth.

Just can't see them at the moment, will be going out shortly to take a look..
Good chance I will be taking it to a garage to be traded/scrapped.. Gutted!

[chiptivo]

PROGRESS UPDATE...

Hey, I know what the pictures say, but I can not find the indicator on the bottom tooth, either on the tooth itself, or the dip between them..

However after an half hour of head scratching, I can get my finger round the crank pully (aux thing) and I can feel the raised point as pictured (Internet picture)




So, I followede this through to the tooth and I have now correctly set the cam belt. Did a manual crank and all still lines up.

Looking at my pictures I took from yesterday, it appeared that chunk of plastic took my belt out one bottom tooth position out of place. I ran the engine for about 30 seconds yesterday in this position, sounded rough and cylinders did not respond fully when I tapped the accelerator. (Permanent damage done?)


So, the moment of truth, turned her over and all sounds fine, as per normal sounding. Quick throttle tap and responded great. Did not give it any beans as the cam cover is missing and fluid tanks are out of position.

Last question as I find this confusing, the tensioner position, it is currently set as pictured. Ambient Temp is around 8 at the moment, and engine is cold. Would this be acceptable (As pictured).



Will be crapping it when I take her out for a test drive, and as long as I am over half a mile away when it breaks, I can get recovered to a garage.

[pphilpot]

If I recall correctly, you are right about the markings – there are no dotted lines engraved, that's just for the illustration to highlight what needs to be lined up.