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No more 5 cylinders from Volvo
Not sure if this has been mentioned but there will soon be no more 5 cylinders being developed by Volvo :(
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The end of an era started by the 850T5 :(. 5 cylinder turbo engines are amazing and have powered some awesome cars over the years. The sound they make is so distinctive. Always thought it a shame that the latest V70 doesn't have a super powerful 5. Also, the fact you can only get the T6 (twin turbo straight 6) as an auto is a sign of the way Volvo are moving. A sad day indeed!
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I never liked the 5 cylinders... Always thought they sounded broken and had no benefits compared to equal sized 4/6 cylinders.
My Mum's S80 2.0T (B5204T8) runs more rough, than my 2.0l 4 cylinder. It doesn't have the exhaust note (stock) which my (stock) engine has. Also, I never thought of the I5 as a Volvo engine. Volvo engines have 4 or 6 cylinders (my opinion) and had a smoothness, which was hard to beat at the time of development (i.e. as the redblocks came). |
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5 cylinders sound AMAZING!! audi Quattro rally car anyone ?? |
How can you not like the 5 cylinders I have never known anyone not like them
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allways loved the noise, but the 6 pot 24v whiteblock can sound simular to them. my isue with the 5 cyl was how tight to work on it was for me (this is not going to improve with the way of modern cars) and the fact that they were fitted to FWD or AWD cars only. :loser:
what it is, some people may just not apriciate that sound,and are more suited to the casual waftign of a 6 or a 4, an odd number may even sound popsterous! heres a jazzed up I6 (960, x90 series) lovely nosie off the 5 or that one!
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correct tis a turbo'd 3.0 24v in the states, it can be heard ideling 1/4 of a mile away.
more sexy noise from it
*shivvers* i think i came. |
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LOL...Not surprised.!!!......great sound.! ...and another vote FOR the 5 cylinder engine...has such a distinctive note..! Neil |
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Btw.: Audi only built 5 cylinders in their older cars, because they couldn't fit a 6 cylinder and then invented the myth of a 5 cylinder having the power of a 6 but the economy of a 4 cylinder engine ;)
That is my C30 with a 2.0l non turbo 4 cylinder... Exhaust is stock... Reved only to 2.500 rpm - no need for more...! I like that grunt more than...:
Which is a T5... When on tick over, then that Duratec has a deep grunt... I just really don't like the sound of a 5 cylinder. It has no "specialty" anymore and just has too much inside friction to be as economic as a modern 4 cylinder engine. Thrus, the sound can easily be edited... Ford even tried to remove the 5 cylinder sound in their Focus STs to make them sound more "Ford'y". |
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This is how a car should sound; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYqbMO_3zcE |
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No worry, I call my car's engine a lawn motor engine... So I can see the fun side ;)
But I seem to be the only one on the world, who doesn't like the sound of a 5 cylinder engine. I really just don't like it. Like some people don't like the noise of a big slow reving V8... And I think all cars shoud sound like this :D
But everyone has their own taste and the saying goes: "To each their own" :) |
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As much as I love my 240, the fives are smoother any day (though the sixes are even more so), and the normally aspirated 2.5 20Vs' in particular have a wicked exhaust note, personally, I think better than the turbos - very reminiscent of a Cosworth BDA, As for not having advantages, you're wrong there too: they save weight and size over a six, and give you more bang for your buck over an equivalent four. The engines may have some inherent weaknesses, or bits of design that could have been done better; but there are very few engines that don't, and few that can take power increases the way the fives can - remember most of the guts of the 2.3 turbo are the same as the n/a 2.5 20v; and that very understressed motor gives 170bhp. In turbo form with basically just smaller diameter, lower compression pistons can go to 350 bhp with generally the same internals - and reliably, not noticeably compromising service life. And if that's not a good motor overall, then bite me! 'Nuff said Cheers, T |
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About the mentioned advantages, no is saying anything against them, but to say it has the smoothness of a I6 (which no volvo I5 can have, as the crank has an uneven balance) and the economy of an I4 (like Audi claimed in their old 80ies/90ies/100ies/etc.) is just no right... Most modern 4 cylinders run so smooth, that you can't feel it (example my engine). Where as a brand new T5 will still have a little "rumble" when running. I'm not saying it is a bad engine. If it was a bad construction, it would be long gone from Volvo's list of engines. And as it is now in it's 20th year (first 5 cylinders in mass-produced Volvos were made 1991) it can't be bad. But as downsizing is hitting all models from all makers, they (like the I6 engines!) are going to die out. Look at Mercedes. The current S-Class is available for the first time ever, with a 4 cylinder diesel (2.1l with 204 hp). BMW will be following soon. The compact class (Golf, Focus, Astra) will soon be standard with 3 cylinder engines (VW is planning on bringing in the 1.2l 3 cylinder TSI as the base engine, Audi is already not far from doing so). Of course a certain "tradition" will be going a miss. The same happend 1998 as the last 940 Turbo left the bands in Gent/Gothenburg with a Redblock engine or the last 960 in 1991/1992 with the PRV V6. Ends of an era... But not of a marque. :) |
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My D5 sounds smoother :laughing-smiley-018 |
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The only vibrations you get from a 5 cylinder are end to end of the crank, unlike a 4 cylinder which has alot more vibrations due to the pistons moving up are going at a different speed to the pistons moving down, this is vertical movement. A general rule is the more cylinders the smoother the engine. Sorry if that bored you lol
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You state that you don't like the way 5s sound 'rough' or 'broken' yet you think all cars should sound like the stupidly unrefined engine configuration that is the V8! Don't get me wrong though I love your car and what you've done with it but it's just a plain and weazy 4 which hardly makes a noise at all! I like V8s and 6s(especially BMWs) etc. But you can never and I mean NEVER bet the sound of a 5cyl in my opinion! Just that deep down roar when you set off and the total change in note when you get about halfway round the revs is just fantastic! I've never heard of anyone ever who hasn't liked the sound of my V70, and to be honest I didn't think I ever would! Well until now lol! |
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i hate the sound a 5 pot engine makes, they sound busted to me (mind you so do those bloody subaru engines with the unequal length headers) theres nothing like a rumbly V8 or a high revving 4 pot, people always go on about the sound of the audi engine, but it was a really horrible car to drive with a peaky, tempremental engine when its was tuned.
Most turbo cars sound dodgy, the turbo ruins the engine note, nothing beats the sound of an old NA Ford BDA at 10,000rpm. |
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V8 or high rever... Exactly my opinion! Thank you! :) |
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having driven the 850 T5 / V70 T5 & s60 T5 in anger they may not be as smooth as a six but they could move. It is sad that they are going sorry to them go
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I`ve got a V50 D4 5 cylinder it`s a great engine,also had a 5 cylinder turbo fiat coupe and that was a great too so it`s a sad day if Volvo stop making a 5 cylinder makes me wonder what my next car will be.
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audi have gone back to using 5 pot turbo engines in the TTRS and RS3? did volvo not basically buy the audi 5 pot to begin with hmm? ...so why couldnt they "buy" or develop the current 5 pot like audi probably did?
alex |
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There was also an earlier D5 to be found in the 240 range (but not in the Uk) which was the venerable 2.0 5cyl version of the 6cyl D24/D24T/D24Tic VW engine used in the 240/740/760/940.
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Did I write different? D20/D5 :) And omly 240. The 700 & 90 series only got the D24 - even in Luxury Tax Italy. |
Yes, sorry, just clarifying what the D20/D5 was.
I believe it was also available in Finland for the Taxi market. It was badged as D5 although the engine code was D20. Likewise the 2.4 normally aspirated version in the 240 was badged D6. And as you say, the 240 didn't get the turbo, only the 740/early 760/940 got the turbo and the late760/early960 the intercooled turbo. |
I came. Sounds so rough at idle but when hes on the loud pedal!!!!!
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Hhmmmmm, not bad I suppose but this;
http://youtu.be/9DDPsey0JCk or my earlier post are the sounds that do it for me. That 5 cylinder warble with the crisp raspy top end is just awesome. |
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Some people like an engine, which doesn't sound present all the time... Some people like an engine, which doesn't need a chav exhaust to sound "cool" Some people like an engine, which has an even number of cylinders ;) Opinions... Nothing else but opinions... Btw.: a 3 cylinder two stroke gets more attention from me, than a 5 cylinder does ;) |
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Its not a series of baked bean cans held together and supported by, rope. |
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the only engine that is perfectly balance apart from gas torque reaction is the inline 6 .....
a redblock is far superior in terms of strength , the only thing a 5 cyl whiteblock going for it is the efficiency and sound . im getting the same MPG as my 940 turbo , for 50 hp less tho.........in a 20v 2.5 |
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That is what Audi used to say: I6 smoothness paired with I4 economy... Biggest myth going. The economy isn't there. A T5 isn't as economical as a equal powered T4 (or so). A 2.0l 5 cylinder will still use more fuel than a 2.0l 4 cylinder -> more friction will always result in higher fuel costs... |
thats more to do with the car its in , rather than the engine itself , add 8 psi to a 2.3 whiteblock engine and it makes 220-240 hp , the same redblock wouldnt make the same power , but in everyday driving youll use less since the whiteblock isnt making the same torque , in a heavier car to boot .
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A 2 stroke 3 cylinder was mentioned... :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaTHK9hz-kI Pity Volvo won't be making 5 cylinder engines anymore, they were unique and not a widespread engine arrangement which made it special. And the tuning capabilities... :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew6YwIN2IQc I think this has a tuned 5 cylinder but i reckon the 850 fans have seen this video before :) |
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