185bhp, how easy do your tyres spin?
 

Hi folks, as the title says, in your 185bhp how easy do your tyres spin?
I have the Dunlop SP Winter Sports 3D on the fronts with about 6mm tread left, I find the spin far too easily and that's in the dry, granted, they are a winter tyre, they are a rating of C for rain, so not overly poop and deffo withstood some standing water on the A11 the other day. But, just a little heavy footed at a junction and she loses grip, I ain't talking about stamping down, just a bit heavier than a standard manoeuvre...

So, please, if you have a 185 and use winter tyres and can be a little heavy footed when pulling out (oo'er Mrs :_: ) please list tyre and spin or no spin please?

I don't want any gentle manoueuverages added as we know it wouldn't spin for ya normal run of the mill driving unless on slicks, even then...... I am looking for a little hurried, something that would be comfortable doing if there was a cop car sat next to you had you no intension to spin them but needing a little hustle nonetheless, thanks..

PS, yes, I did have that happen to me but in the Laguna, the feds weren't phased though, thankfully, poss noticed it wasn't intentional lol or didn't notice, prob the former and for gods sake, I'm gonna shut up now.....

I have a 163hp Manual and the tyres spin pretty easily (with DSTC enabled) - its nothing to do with the horsepower but the torque and when it hits. If you are a bit eager with the clutch at 2,000rpm then it will lose grip. That's with Michelin Pilot Sport tyres , 245/40/R18.

Also depends on road surface, I had a Ford Focus (1.6 Duratec that I bought after surgery, so I wasn't pushing it) some time ago that had Michelins on the front, but the previous owner had put a cheap Achilles or something on the rear left. If the road surface was anything other than black tarmac it would do a full 360 at the slightest whiff of the steering wheel.

Anyway, winter tyres get quite sloppy with a few mm of wear on them if the temperatures are higher than 20 degrees C.

Hope that helps

On my MY2009 185hp tuned D5 diesel, its not easy to break traction.
Only sometimes if I turn a tight corner and then accelerate quickly will the inside wheel loose traction briefly.

The traction control kicks in an puts the traction on the rear wheels.

Of course, snow is different, and then I can happily get the traction control lamp flashing when I plant my right foot. But I only do that on big empty car parks.

If your front wheels are loosing traction easily and the rear wheels are not kicking in to help with traction, then suspect a failed AWD normally due to destroyed splines in the angle box. Test by seeing if you can spin the driveshaft to the rear diff when the car is off. If it turns then your angle box splines are damaged. Watch out for the hot exhaust pipe!

Hi,
Nokian weatherproof on an 06 XC70 with the 185bhp D5 and all I get in wet/slippery conditions is a slight 'kick in the backside' as the RWD is engaged with no real sensation of front wheelspin. Depending on all the factors which determine the best choice of tyre for a particular vehicle/driver/location/weather condition, with a 2WD 185bhp V70, unless you go down the route of two sets of tyres for winter/summer you really need the best all season tyre you can afford and some of the current models have a much better wet weather rating than the dunlop winter sports.

Thanks for the replies,

I should have mentioned that its a two wheeled drive and manual, although, my signature does say this, ish...

I am really more concerned that it could hinder a non-hesitant pull off, ie, there's time, I can make it but only just.... having a wheel spin could mean the difference between a hit and a miss.

I am also talking about it being dry and standard run of the mill tarmac.

If its wet, that's a whole new ball game, with a heavy foot, she will spin from 1st through til 3rd unless I back off some.

Also, there is no difference between budget all season tyres and these Dunlops, perhaps that's not quite true, I can hear the difference and tell that they are new buy the sound, there's better grip but you wouldn't think so.

I only use winter tyres, would never go the All season for winter time, purely for the fact that I saw a video once comparing winter with all season on snow :)

As said, they have a lot of torque, plus, I've found that the suspension and steering behave/work a bit odd on the p2 which encourages the tyres to break traction.
The wintersport 3d are a bit greasy though, I had issues with them in this respect on a 105bhp scenic.
Better are vredestein quatrac and crossclimate, though not dedicated winters but sufficient for uk winter conditions.
All winters struggle in laying the power down though as you say, its inherent due to the elasticity of the tread. The dunlop ws3d are a very old tyre now though, and weren't the best in their day in certain aspects.

I had chinese winter tyres on the T5 - ****.

Go back to normal tyres

Your using winter tyres when it isn't winter! I don't see the point. You'll have less grip because the winter ones are designed to give you more grip in cold conditions (Ice & snow for example). The conditions aren't cold (yet), so your existing tyres are struggling because they're being used in conditions they aren't suited for (yet).

So you don't like to use all season tyres in the winter. Why not get two decent all season or summer tyres to put on the front for the warmer months only & keep your existing winter ones you've got for the winter?

It sounds like the winter tyres you have are probably good in their own right (in the winter). You have to have your wits about you though because that spinning your experiencing isn't what you want at a busy roundabout. That in itself would make me change them... I wouldn't keep chancing it.

Keep the winters for winter. Get yourself two tyres to use in the other months. :regular_smile:

The last pair of all seasons (dont remember the make) that I've just binned span a bit more than these 3D's. I adjusted my driving to suit, nothing hair raising in the wet for sure. The main downside is backing off the power if they do spin cause trying to build that back up again is time costly, I will keep my eyes open for some CC's, they were what I was after in the 1st place but these looked ok, having said that, I am sure I had a set on one of my Lagunas, the tread pattern is very similar and they were greasy then too.

The point of using them now is, preparedness, I don't like to wait until there colder nights or there is snow on the ground to prompt me to put them on, not to mention that a decent snow fell in October a few years back now, but it happened, BRB.......... damn, it was before I started measuring snow fall on my weather station software, but I think it was back in 2008 perhaps and about 4" settled, just done a google and I was right, end of October 2008, it was quite widespread and whilst it settled well, it didn't last more than that night, for me in Desborough anyway, there were some cold nights though with many a frosty morn, so its not out of the realms of possibilities :)

So have you only just refitted them? They do take an age to bed back in and as such behave in a vile manner to begin with...

In reference to 'I saw a video on all seasons and how they behave' I think I know the vid and it isnt representative of real world conditions or todays all season which are a very different breed to 10 years ago. Also, I think that vid, as a lot do, was referring to american 'all season' which are basically like the summer tyres we used to have in the 90's, summer compound with a few sipes, rather like some 4x4 all terrain tyres, they are nothing of the sort the rest of the world have.