Euro 6 Diesel and AdBlue
 

New diesels are now Euro 6. Does this mean that they will all use that stuff AdBlue, meaning a refill every so many thousand miles, and if it runs out the car will go into a low power running mode until replenished, or even worse not run at all?

If so, is this AdBlue stuff a DIY refill job, or will it mean a trip to the dealers?

I see no mention of the stuff on Volvos websites nor that their new diesel engines use it?

Regards

That would be because they don't use it :)

Just that it was mentioned in a thread elsewhere that all Euro 6 diesels would be using AdBlue.

Regards

Just driven a new Vauxhall zafira to one of our southern offices. Noticed that it had an adblue filler next to the diesel filler, so definitely diy.

After driving that, I decided I much prefer my 13 year old v70!

It did not but the majority of Euro 6 cars will use Adblue (which is a DEF). Currently, and for example only one engine in the V70 range meets the new Euro 6 regulations (it is the D4).

The D4 is a new engine and will replace all engines in the Volvo range - in the new XC90 for example.

The rest of the V70 range (D2, D3 & D5) are only Euro 5 compliant, all cars (as far as I understand it) will have to be Euro 6 compliant by September 2015 - new models introduced beforehand will have to meet the new rules.

Some manufacturers will manage to meet Euro 6 without using a DEF, and most cars by September 2017 will have a new generation of onboard diagnostics to monitor these new systems.

Jon.

N.B pity about the two threads on the same subject!

A bit confusing/misleading what you write and not actually correct.

The D4 is just a power descriptor. I think it needs to be made clear to avoid confusion, the new engine is the 1969cc VEA engine (available in D2,D3,D4,D5 power in the majority of models) which is Euro 6, whereas the older D4 (2400cc) isn’t Euro 6. Yes the new 1969cc VEA engine is going in the XC90 in various states of tune, with the first ones being D5 1969cc 225bhp.


According to Volvo the V70 D3 1969cc is indeed listed as being Euro 6 compliant (as it is the new engine) as is the old D5 (2400cc) in all other models, including XC70 and now being 220bhp. There currently isn't a new D2 designation (V70), although maybe there will be? The older D4 AWD XC70 (2400cc) engine is still Euro 5. If they have made the old D5 (2400cc) Euro 6, wonder why they didn’t with the old D4 (2400cc) as it is fundamentally the same engine. Suppose because the old D4 is an 'also ran engine' sales wise now,whereas the old D5 still has a bit of life left?

All new Volvo models will be the 1969cc in various states of tune, bar the autos in some models (s/v60/v40) being sub 1500cc.

Don't Volvo make things difficult to fathom eh?...!!

Regards

Ps:- ref the below:
Not really two threads,as I am asking a different question AdBlue specific, and as you raised the point about AdBlue elsewhere, which I found interesting, rather than hijack/digress on that thread,I started this one, because I wanted to know more specifically about whether Volvo usedAdBlue, rather than the 'fate of diesel engines' per se as per the other thread.

Regards

You always have a tendency to be tricky VR. My point about the D4 was not incorrect as it is a new engine* (D4 = 969cc, the other current V70 engines are the 1560cc D2, the 1984cc-D3, and the 2400cc-D5) - I have taken the info directly from the current Volvo brochure (model year 2015). I simply chose not to go into a huge amount of detail about the new engine as the thread is ostensibly about Adblue/Euro 6.

You are the one that is incorrect and misleading, NONE of the MY2015 engines in the V70 (bar the D4) are Euro 6 compliant - they are all Euro 5.

*in the current engine line up (in the V70 range) it is a power descriptor as well as denoting the new Euro 6 engine.

Adblue, the other thread points out quite clearly that it is a brand name, albeit a trademark for a DEF.

Jon.

Not being 'tricky' at all Jon. Just that there is a lot of confusion regards engines in the Volvo range.In fact one chap bought an XC60 D4 AWD, and seemingly was informed by the dealer it was the new VEA D4 1969cc engine, which is only available in the FWD version!!

Maybe NONE of the MY2015 V70 models are Euro 6, but that is largely irrelevant, as would be say MY2014 or MY2013 as we are talking current engines - as all engines, current, from now on are MY2016 and are Euro 6. The 1560cc D2 V70 is no longer as neither is the 1984cc D3, with the V70 range starting with the Euro 6 complaint 1969cc VEA D3

Trusting that clears things up,anyway back to AdBlue..!!

Regards

We have just had new S60 D3 land at work and that is a MY16 and has a VEA engine in it,

Also had a MY16 V40 D2 land and that is also a VEA engine,

Volvo it seems are far behind with this technology as Mercedes have used it in their diesel cars and vans since about 2011 / 2012.

The AdBlue filler cap is usually next to the fuel filler cap.

The AdBlue tank is topped up each time your vehicle is serviced at an Approved Mercedes-Benz Retailer.

One litre of AdBlue is sufficient for approximately 625 miles of driving and the size of the AdBlue tank has been designed so that you should not have to refill AdBlue between services.

AdBlue consumption may be higher depending on the type of driving, mileage and road conditions.

How much it cost i don`t know!

One useful thing a light on the dash comes on at the 3 litre level mark in the AdBlue tank as the engine won`t start if empty!!

AdBlue comes from the Dealer only!

You must have made a mistake on that one as you can buy it at the pumps.

You can also buy it over the counter at most petrol station now, it comes in 1, 5 or 10 litre containers. Its around 60 to 70p per litre.

WOW!.......i can be wrong after all.....Lol

I don`t have AdBlue with my C320 diesel so don`t know the in`s and out`s ...sorry

Apology Accepted. :natur008:

Just don't put it into the fuel tank by mistake as happened to us in the artic.
We did manage to get 5 mtrs before we stopped.

I wouldn't say any manufacturer is "behind" in the technology they all have to comply with regulations. Some have just chosen a different method than others and started using DEF sooner. There is no regulation that says they must use DEF just the emisions must be below a certain amount.

Paul

So you can't use the Adblue that you buy at petrol stations or other shops?

Adblue is a DIY fill up, the car will have a small tank you just simply pour Adlue in, no special tools, no pump just remove lid from the bottle up so it glugs out.

I think the 'Adblue is topped up by the dealer in the service' is a pretty good sales gimmick. On trucks we have an Adblue tank next to the diesel tank and an Adblue pump next to the diesel pump in the yard. I did do a test for our company when we first had Adblue trucks in, as no one knew how much they would use and at the time we were going to the dealers to get the Adblue. While our trucks are double or triple shifted and filled with diesel every time they are used, the adblue tank is probably sufficient for a fortnight or more without a top up, convert that to a car and you can see that it only needs filling up about as often as a service. If the dealer includes this in the service they can add a bit of mystique and therefore add to the service cost and even charge a premium rate for the Adblue while they're at it (...it's a special chemical which our technicians have been specially trained to deal with sir....), and given that too many people driving new cars don't have any interest in how the car works they can get away with it.

Think some of the v and s40s use it and the tank is under the car designed to be refilled as part of the service. It can of course be filled by the owner if they are prepared to crawl under the car to do so, how many owners of newer volvos will and how many just leave it to the dealer at service time, even if you did fill it yourself you would still get charged. A bit like the screen wash addative I get charged for every service, they have to empty fluid out of the washer bottle to make room for it but they do every service.

Paul.

That will be Eolys Paul, an oil based one to help burn the soot in the dpf, whereas Adblue is water based to neutralise the gases nox etc.

Regards

This all reminds me of a talk once given by a Volvo Trucks design engineer in Gothenburg on one of my factory visits around 2004, a very clever Swede who made an amusing point.

Adblue is a 'Urea' solution, generally harmless apart from being corrosive to steel (Adblue tanks are usually plastic) and he claimed it closely resembled pig's and probably human's urine in chemical make-up!

As a Volvo SCR truck engine is designed to lose some power when the Adblue runs out, his suggestion was that if a driver suffers this fate before getting to a refill point, he could simply p*ss in the adblue tank to get back to full power to drive home!

Quite how a car driver would do this with an adblue tank under the car, I can't imagine, but might be a useful tip if you're ever caught out or caught short!

don't get confused between AdBlue and Eolys - the former can be filled up by the driver, the latter is designed to be filled annually at the service.

AdBlue is injected into the exhaust whereas Eolys is added to the fuel.

they both create a similar result, but best not to get them confused :)

AD Blue
 

Ad Blue or DEF as its called is used to squirt in the Filter and reduces carbon emissions,the tank in my Mazda CX7 is in the rear and holds around 5 gallons of Ad Blue.ut
The dealer is known in some ares to charge up to £200 for a fill up I buy a big container for £20 on ebay and fill it up myself.
The first time we became aware of having AD Blue in our car was when we were in France and the car's computer said we had 500 miles left before the car would shut down! We carried on along the French highways and could not find a garage that sold it so we decided that as Ad Blue was made of Urea that if I drink lots of water and pee in the tank that should work and believe it or not it did.We carried on another 60 kilometres and found a Shell garage with loads of Ad Blue in big plastic containers so we bought one and filled the tank up with it.

The DPF light comes on when the filter is clogged up on most diesels and to replace the filter costs a fortune but there are garages which delete the filter off the ECU and disconnect and clean the filter so it can be input on the car again without losing its use.

I had an Audi (A6 3 litre quattro) with AdBlue. It managed to do about 7000 miles before it needed topping up. Mine was done by the service department where my brother works (non franchise) for about £16.

So yes its DIY and its not that expensive, getting it in the filler can be a pain as it isnt that easy on the audi from the big containers, easier with a nossle.

Great can and great engine, from which the adblu didnt detract.