Audi fined 800 million Euros for diesel violations
 

Article : https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-vo...-idUKKCN1MQ13D

This bit made me laugh : "Audi accepts the fine and will not lodge an appeal against it, the company said. By doing so, it said it admits its responsibility for the deviations from regulatory requirements."

To me that means : f*ck we got caught.

This whole saga has a smell about it. It's the directors that set unattainable targets for emissions and then wonder why staff cheat. And yet still they have customers? What other engineering targets are not met. What quality issues are not dealt with.

But perhaps the biggest question is why you would buy an Audi when everything that matters is on a Skoda?

Absolutely lots! A lot of deliberate engineering short cuts are taken that are yet to come to light. Look at Ford with their power**** transmissions and engine failures on the likes of the RS for a recent big one.

People buy the brands now just because of the brand and not on quality of product convinced that what once was a premium brand for several reasons, is now very average at best.

wondering why this hasnt been big on the news ?

i'll get told off for suggesting the likely reasons, someone else do it !

VAG were merely the ones caught out for doing this.Renault to a certain extent dodged the high fines by subsequently owning up to the same.Were they the only two to "massage" the tests? I very seriously doubt it!

Great point. The sooner consumers start to look at items for what they are and appreciate that a brand is something that is used to soley generate money, the sooner brands will experience drops in sales and be forced to make stuff properly again/consistently.

Looking at the Ford Focus RS engine issues as an example, where the design is flawed from the outset, you have to assume that as with any line of work, the voices and opinions of the experts (engineers etc.) are over ridden by the quick win mentality of accountants and directors.

Ford have had many wide spread issues with the Powershift transmissions, eco-boost engines, high power engines, VAG with the old DSG gearbox problems just to name a few. Yet, when it all goes wrong, the customers are fobbed off and left wth a piece of scrap metal that they have either paid or owe thousands for as OEMs do not want to hold their hands up for their deliberate/intentional screw jobs...... until they are forced down the path of a massive lawsuit.

And why would you buy one of them as they have the same shi!ty wiring as VW, Seat and the others???

That is why I have a Superb :wac_wink:

It's running as smooth as any car could do at the moment. Certainly giving me less grief than the XC60 which had the DPF Warning light issue, 3 visits to the dealer to sort that one out. The reality is all mfrs can have a weakness somewhere along the line.

Not true, VW group were the only ones selling diesel engines in the USA that didn't have SCR systems. In fact so strict are the US emissions that Volvo, BMW, Mercedes, even GM and Ford didn't sell diesels in the USA as they couldn't meet the requirements.

The cheat device in Europe is actually legal. They are fined for covering up the fact they had the software and were not declaring it.

And while we are on this subject the new European consumption tests went live on 1st September 2018. Most manufacturers just retested their cars under the new extensive test and published the results. But...

Several VAG models were taken off sale at 1st September so that the engines could be reconfigured!