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volvo_saint Apr 26th, 2013 17:22

Replacement Carb for B200/230 Engine
 
I am running my Volvo 240 Estate with a B200K engine from a Volvo 360 and the inlet manifold /carb from the original B230K.

The question I have is whether the Pierburg Carb is setup only to handle a B230 engine only or whether it would work correctly on the B200 - the B200 was only fitted with the Cisac Solex carb I believe.

The car is running but I think the secondary throttle is not working correctly plus there is little scope for adjustments. The carb is overly complex (the original engine had the pulse air system) and I am not sure it is tunable for the B200 engine.

Has anyone fitted a WEBER conversion kit to Volvo 240?

Clifford Pope Apr 28th, 2013 10:28

I've no direct experience of that conversion, but I did change a Cisac on a B230K to a Stromberg from a B21, changing the needle to one giving a slightly richer mixture for the larger engine.
I think if a carburettor will physically fit, ie you have the appropriate manifold or a converter piece, then you can re-jet it to suit almost anything.

Gower Lee or the Carburettor Hospital are the people to advise on jet and needle changes.

When I rang up Gower Lee, the moment I said the word "Cisac" the very helpful man said "bin it" !

Volvorama Apr 28th, 2013 10:55

Weber
 
I put a 34DMTL Weber on a B230K 740 and it works brilliantly. Carb is actually a manual choke conversion kit for a 1.6 Sierra but I have not needed to change the jets, surprisingly. Look for the old threads on 700 Weber etc.

CaptainAhab Apr 29th, 2013 13:28

Steve Curtis over on the 700 side of things has carried out a Weber conversion as well.

If your carb came from a different capacity engine the jets are defintely going to need changed. I would second the Gower and Lee recommendation as rejetting is a minefield. If you change one thing, you generally need to change it all. Unless you have an SU :)

Cap

volvo_saint Apr 29th, 2013 23:30

I like the idea of fitting reconditioned Stromberg carb from a B21 engine together with a B21 inlet manifold. The linkages for the throttle and choke I believe are the same.

Can anyone confirm this?

Clifford Pope Apr 30th, 2013 08:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by volvo_saint (Post 1406532)
I like the idea of fitting reconditioned Stromberg carb from a B21 engine together with a B21 inlet manifold. The linkages for the throttle and choke I believe are the same.

Can anyone confirm this?


It needed the throttle cable from the donor car, also I had to improvise a mounting bracket to hold the end of the cable in the right position.
That may have been because I hadn't kept all the bits from the old car.
The choke cable I think just connected straight up.

Also I'd lost the plate that bolts on the intake side of the Stromberg, together with the plastic intake elbow. I made a plate to fit the larger elbow from the Cisac.

classicswede Apr 30th, 2013 23:53

Cant beat the old carbs. My dad still has a few manifolds about for doing that swap. You can find him on http://volvo200crazy.co.uk/profile.php?id=4

volvo_saint May 4th, 2013 16:16

I have managed to source a complete inlet manifold, Stromberg carb and airfilter from a B21 engine.

The carb will need a good clean up or a rebuild. I would imagine that the inlet manifold from a B21 would fit on a B200K engine.

Then I would have a 1987 retro Volvo with a simple carb.

Can I use the standard throttle cable from Pierburg Carb?

Clifford Pope May 4th, 2013 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by volvo_saint (Post 1409474)

Can I use the standard throttle cable from Pierburg Carb?


Not sure. The cables have the same end-fittings and fit into a square hole in a bracket on the block/manifold, but some are different lengths matched to a different angle of approach to the cable drum.

axeman May 14th, 2013 20:50

i have only just read this thread, although i run a b230a (perburg cd175) i quickly ditched the 175cd for a webber dtmr 32/36. the difference i can only say is amazzzzzzing. the maniflod is far more balanced and has better flowing carteristics than 175 one. it completely changed the way in which the engine performs. much better performance, better on fuel. much better surport from the likes of webcom and others.

from my experience there is little surport and little info on the perburg and stromberg carbs, they are both over complex versions of the SU, which is a very very good carb.

if needed i still have the old inlet manifold for the 175cd if required but he carb was given to friend as a working donor for his engine.
http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/z...1FDCF2E3AF.jpg

just my thoughts neil

adcyork May 15th, 2013 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by axeman (Post 1415898)
i have only just read this thread, although i run a b230a (perburg cd175) i quickly ditched the 175cd for a webber dtmr 32/36. the difference i can only say is amazzzzzzing. the maniflod is far more balanced and has better flowing carteristics than 175 one. it completely changed the way in which the engine performs. much better performance, better on fuel. much better surport from the likes of webcom and others.

from my experience there is little surport and little info on the perburg and stromberg carbs, they are both over complex versions of the SU, which is a very very good carb.

if needed i still have the old inlet manifold for the 175cd if required but he carb was given to friend as a working donor for his engine.
http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/z...1FDCF2E3AF.jpg

just my thoughts neil

How much are you after for the manifold? It would have to be posted of course as I am based in Coventry.

Thanks
Andy

axeman May 15th, 2013 22:14

i am guessing the post will be around £10?
and say £15 for the manifold?

neil

adcyork May 15th, 2013 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by axeman (Post 1416727)
i am guessing the post will be around £10?
and say £15 for the manifold?

neil

Hi, That's sounds smashing. Can you try http://www.parcel2go.com/ and see if postage would be any cheaper?

I'll take it either way. How would you like payment?

Cheers,

Andy

axeman May 16th, 2013 09:52

If you could send the money via pay pal as a gift that would suite me
Neilwitt0303@googlemail.com

If the postage is any more I will foot it. All I need is your delivery address and I will pit it in to shoe box and pop it in to the post for you.

Thanks neil

adcyork Jun 5th, 2013 22:59

Axeman, money sent. Address is attached to the paypal payment.

Thanks
Andy

adcyork Jun 7th, 2013 08:09

Could one of the mods please PM Axeman for me? I can't message anyone other than mods until I have 30 posts.

Thanks

volvo_saint Nov 17th, 2013 10:59

I have a problem with my Stromberg Carb / Inlet Manifold - the throttle cable attachment for the Stromber is close to the no 4 cylinder. My original cable for the Pierburg was close to the no 2 cylinder. My throttle cable cannot make the acute angle to reach the Stromberg carb.

volvo_saint Nov 17th, 2013 11:07

[IMG]http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/...StrombergR.jpg[/IMG]

This is the Stromberg Manifold - Throttle attachment close to no. 4 cylinder

volvo_saint Nov 17th, 2013 11:11

[IMG]http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/...tPierburgR.jpg[/IMG]


Pierburg manifold - throttle attachment close to no. 2 cylinder

volvo_saint Nov 17th, 2013 11:26

I do not have the original throttle cable - on the B21 Inlet manifold there are two holes - can they be used to move the throttle cable connection?

Mike_Brace Nov 17th, 2013 13:07

You will need the correct throttle cable.

volvo_saint Nov 17th, 2013 13:10

Is there a separate part number for the B21/B23 throttle cable when compared to the B200K?

volvo_saint Nov 17th, 2013 15:13

Actually the real question is whether the throttle cable from a 1976-1984 car for a B21A engine would be compatible with a B200K Volvo from 1987?

Mike_Brace Nov 17th, 2013 16:23

There are different part numbers for different cables. The left hand drive ones for example are a different length. I did the conversion of fitting the B21A manifold to the B200K about 15 years or so ago and just used the cable from the donor car.

volvo_saint Nov 24th, 2013 12:16

[IMG]http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/...oldonB200K.jpg[/IMG]


Fitted the B21 Manifold with the Stromberg 175 Carb to the B200K block. Took the throttle connection from the original B200K inlet manifold and fixed it on the B21 inlet manifold. Next step is to fit the new throttle cable (much longer than the original), adjust the shims and start it up.....

Iyoy Apr 3rd, 2019 14:57

Weber Carb Conversion
 
I got my 1989 240 DL Sedan, B230E with a crude carb conversion. I saw a nice Weber kit with a Penta manifold on eBay and Amazon for about $500. Has anyone used this? I want to get the manual choke version. The one on the car uses the original FI intake manifold with a crudely fabricated adapter.

How do I setup the fuel system? Do I use the original in tank and external system? What kind of regulator should I use? Thanks!http://https://share.icloud.com/phot...-_Barangay_167

Iyoy Apr 5th, 2019 03:04

B230f
 
Correction, it’s a B230F

Iyoy Aug 4th, 2019 16:31

Ignition Control Module
 
Hi I have 89 240 B230F LH 2.4 M47. I want to convert to Weber 32/36 with Pierce manifold. What Ignition Control Unit should I use?


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