Okay, bleeding appeared to go well, passed about 2 litres through in total, looking clear, no bubbles. Pressing brake down with engine off gives 1" travel and then hard. However turn the engine on and it's another story, travel about 3" with a squelching sound like pumping balloon, release the pedal and a 'click' from the area round the master cylinder. I can drive it ok, brakes seem ok. I've bled the two nipples round the master cylinder as well, no evidence of air. If it's air I'll give it another go but I've done it twice already!
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