paint costs

Crockers · May 21st, 2013, 22:24

I can see that metallic is always going to cost more than "solid" paint but is it really THAT much more expensive. And what's with "inscription" paint? What's in it to cost almost double "ordinary" metallic. Or is it all a way just to extract more £ from our pockets.

Why do some companies NOT charge extra ?

Thoughts??

volvorocks · May 21st, 2013, 23:22

Think its Citroen (and probably others) who charge the same for paint options on a C1 and a Relay van, despite the van needing a hek of a lot more paint because of its size!!

It seems to be a cash making exercise!

Ninja59 · May 22nd, 2013, 07:17

I have always found the Inscription paint to have bigger flake "pop" than the metallic paint. It is noticeable ignoring the S80 that a lot of Volvo's tend to increase with the size from about 525 - 850.

Commercial vehicles tend to have thinner paint to start with.

My MX-5 is solid paint metallic is sometimes a bit nicer.

Harvey1512 · May 22nd, 2013, 09:32

I agree. It is very annoying, especially when the usual options are white and possibly one other solid colour at best. I went for solid red on my current Volvo as the leasing company wanted £20 a month for metallic and I could not justify that. Considering the rules of economies of scale I would have thought the costs of metallic should not be that much greater.

volvorocks · May 22nd, 2013, 12:55

Hi Harvey

Its not aboout paint although look at prices of differeing states of tune of some Volvos

The V60 T4 180 bhp (no longer available I think) is about £7k more expensive than the T3 150 bhp despite being the same engine, just being 30bhp more.

Same ''oddness'' with V40 with the T2 T3 and T4 versions

The T3 V40 150 bhp is £2k more expensive than the T2 120 bhp (reasonable increase I suppose) although the T4 180bhp is a whopping £6k more expensive than the T3 150. Again no difference in specs,with all having the same engine..!!!

Expensive chips!! Whats it all about?

Regards

Crockers · May 22nd, 2013, 13:25

I suppose it's all called marketing..

Also if they throw in the metallic paint you then think you are getting money off the product whereas it is costing the Company Sweet FA to give away.

As for the power increases. MAybe some of that cost is to cover lower reliability and therefore more warranty claims - also if the punter will pay for it then charge for it.

Take the XC60 D4 AWD v D5. £2300 extra - and I'm sure the D4 could be remapped to D5 levels for a lot lot less.

volvorocks · May 22nd, 2013, 13:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crockers

Take the XC60 D4 AWD v D5. £2300 extra - and I'm sure the D4 could be remapped to D5 levels for a lot lot less.

At least for the extra money the XC60 D5 not only has more power, +52, but also an extra turbo,so I would say that is reasonable.

Your point is valid though. An S/V60 T3 can be Polestar chipped from 150 to 180 for around £700, which maybe is what the T4 direct from Volvo is.

Regards

Docs · May 22nd, 2013, 15:33

Hi Crockers

That's why I've changed from a D5 to a D4 AWD.
It's €2600 extra over here for the D5, as opposed to €800 to be chipped.
Anyway I give it a few weeks before I decide if I need it.

I thought I read somewhere that the D4 AWD was a twin-turbo but I can't swear to that.?

And lay off the Incription paint, I'm paying €1300 for "privilege" so I feel bad enough.!!

simonjedrake · May 22nd, 2013, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Docs

Hi Crockers

I thought I read somewhere that the D4 AWD was a twin-turbo but I can't swear to that.?

No, the D4 is only a single turbo hence the lower power bands.

Docs · May 22nd, 2013, 21:31

XC60 D5 AWD (215 hp) & XC60 D4 AWD (163hp

All-aluminium high performance 2.4 litre five-cylinder turbo diesel engines
Superior fuel economy
Quick and comfortable response
Sequential twin turbochargers for immense power across the rev range
Start/Stop technology (manual)
Max torque 420 Nm (D4 AWD and D5 AWD manual) or 440 Nm (D5 AWD Geartronic)
D5 AWD: six-speed manual gearbox or six-speed Geartronic automatic with sport mode. D4 AWD: Six-speed Geartronic automatic

1) The XC60 D4 FWD is a 2.0 litre single turbo 5cyl 163bhp

2) The XC60 D4 AWD is a 2.4 litre twin turbo 5cyl 163bhp (detuned D5) with more
torque than the 2.0 litre D4 FWD - probably due to the AWD?

3) The XC60 D5 AWD is 2.4 litre twin turbo 5cyl 215bhp

I knew I saw this somewhere before, so apparently I'm still gonna have my second turbo come July.

May 21st, 2013, 22:24	#1
Crockers Premier Member Last Online: Feb 22nd, 2024 06:49 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: North Wilts	paint costs I can see that metallic is always going to cost more than "solid" paint but is it really THAT much more expensive. And what's with "inscription" paint? What's in it to cost almost double "ordinary" metallic. Or is it all a way just to extract more £ from our pockets. Why do some companies NOT charge extra ? Thoughts?? __________________ XC60 Inscription Pro T5. Mussel Blue with blonde. Xenium, intellisafe pro, towbar, 4 zone , polestar, body styling pack. Apple car play.Tinted windows NOW SOLD

May 22nd, 2013, 09:32	#4
Harvey1512 Premier Member Last Online: Jan 30th, 2021 12:00 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Northumberland	I agree. It is very annoying, especially when the usual options are white and possibly one other solid colour at best. I went for solid red on my current Volvo as the leasing company wanted £20 a month for metallic and I could not justify that. Considering the rules of economies of scale I would have thought the costs of metallic should not be that much greater. __________________ I used to have an S40, V60 and XC60 so I am allowed here, honest.

May 22nd, 2013, 13:25	#6
Crockers Premier Member Last Online: Feb 22nd, 2024 06:49 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: North Wilts	I suppose it's all called marketing.. Also if they throw in the metallic paint you then think you are getting money off the product whereas it is costing the Company Sweet FA to give away. As for the power increases. MAybe some of that cost is to cover lower reliability and therefore more warranty claims - also if the punter will pay for it then charge for it. Take the XC60 D4 AWD v D5. £2300 extra - and I'm sure the D4 could be remapped to D5 levels for a lot lot less. __________________ XC60 Inscription Pro T5. Mussel Blue with blonde. Xenium, intellisafe pro, towbar, 4 zone , polestar, body styling pack. Apple car play.Tinted windows NOW SOLD

May 21st, 2013, 23:22	#2
volvorocks Rodney Last Online: Aug 4th, 2016 05:02 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: On The Street	Think its Citroen (and probably others) who charge the same for paint options on a C1 and a Relay van, despite the van needing a hek of a lot more paint because of its size!! It seems to be a cash making exercise!

May 22nd, 2013, 07:17	#3
Ninja59 Probably Akita's Toyboy.. Last Online: Dec 27th, 2023 22:24 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: A House.	I have always found the Inscription paint to have bigger flake "pop" than the metallic paint. It is noticeable ignoring the S80 that a lot of Volvo's tend to increase with the size from about 525 - 850. Commercial vehicles tend to have thinner paint to start with. My MX-5 is solid paint metallic is sometimes a bit nicer.

May 22nd, 2013, 12:55	#5
volvorocks Rodney Last Online: Aug 4th, 2016 05:02 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: On The Street	Hi Harvey Its not aboout paint although look at prices of differeing states of tune of some Volvos The V60 T4 180 bhp (no longer available I think) is about £7k more expensive than the T3 150 bhp despite being the same engine, just being 30bhp more. Same ''oddness'' with V40 with the T2 T3 and T4 versions The T3 V40 150 bhp is £2k more expensive than the T2 120 bhp (reasonable increase I suppose) although the T4 180bhp is a whopping £6k more expensive than the T3 150. Again no difference in specs,with all having the same engine..!!! Expensive chips!! Whats it all about? Regards

May 22nd, 2013, 15:33	#8
Docs Member Last Online: Jun 3rd, 2024 17:32 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Donegal	Hi Crockers That's why I've changed from a D5 to a D4 AWD. It's €2600 extra over here for the D5, as opposed to €800 to be chipped. Anyway I give it a few weeks before I decide if I need it. I thought I read somewhere that the D4 AWD was a twin-turbo but I can't swear to that.? And lay off the Incription paint, I'm paying €1300 for "privilege" so I feel bad enough.!!

May 22nd, 2013, 21:31	#10
Docs Member Last Online: Jun 3rd, 2024 17:32 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Donegal	XC60 D5 AWD (215 hp) & XC60 D4 AWD (163hp All-aluminium high performance 2.4 litre five-cylinder turbo diesel engines Superior fuel economy Quick and comfortable response Sequential twin turbochargers for immense power across the rev range Start/Stop technology (manual) Max torque 420 Nm (D4 AWD and D5 AWD manual) or 440 Nm (D5 AWD Geartronic) D5 AWD: six-speed manual gearbox or six-speed Geartronic automatic with sport mode. D4 AWD: Six-speed Geartronic automatic 1) The XC60 D4 FWD is a 2.0 litre single turbo 5cyl 163bhp 2) The XC60 D4 AWD is a 2.4 litre twin turbo 5cyl 163bhp (detuned D5) with more torque than the 2.0 litre D4 FWD - probably due to the AWD? 3) The XC60 D5 AWD is 2.4 litre twin turbo 5cyl 215bhp I knew I saw this somewhere before, so apparently I'm still gonna have my second turbo come July.

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