Instrument cluster

[George Holmer]

I'll try another one... I have the instrument cluster with a central speedometer and the rev counter to the left and to the right a combined fuel and temp gauge. I have noted that there is another type with a rev counter and speedometer in the same size and temp gauge on the left and fuel on the right. Does anyone know why they are different (i.e. different years, models etc.) and if they are interchangeable?

George

[P156KWJ]

Originally Posted by George Holmer

I'll try another one... I have the instrument cluster with a central speedometer and the rev counter to the left and to the right a combined fuel and temp gauge. I have noted that there is another type with a rev counter and speedometer in the same size and temp gauge on the left and fuel on the right. Does anyone know why they are different (i.e. different years, models etc.) and if they are interchangeable?

George

I think when the phase 2s had a fairly late on minor facelift around 2003 they gained a new instrument cluster (along with things like the eggcrate grille). Is it this design you are thinking of or something else?

Mine is also as you describe, central speedo with revs on the left and combined fuel and temp on the right, and mine is 2002.

[George Holmer]

Yes, I suspect that is the one. I wonder then if it is a straight swap. Mind you, I found one so cheap it is worth a try maybe.

[gatos]

As P156KWJ already said, they appeared sometime around mid 2002 and until 2004. They have LEDs instead of standard bulbs and the connectors at the back are completely different to all other previous instrument clusters. So, no, it is not a straight swap I am afraid

[LTEcactus]

Originally Posted by P156KWJ

I think when the phase 2s had a fairly late on minor facelift around 2003 they gained a new instrument cluster (along with things like the eggcrate grille). Is it this design you are thinking of or something else?

Mine is also as you describe, central speedo with revs on the left and combined fuel and temp on the right, and mine is 2002.

They also got a 3 spoke steering wheel as well.
Although I thought these were the phase 2 models, and the phase 1.5 was up until 2002, with the older instrument cluster and 4 spoke steering wheel?

[clarkey1984]

I think the instrument panel facelift must have happened some time in 2002, as my 02 t4 is set out like the first picture, the Speedo in the centre and the fuel and temp combined on the right, which is the same layout as my 1999 phase 1 2.0 had, whereas my 52 2.0 SE has the rev counter and Speedo central with the fuel and temp gauges on opposite sides, like the second picture.

[George Holmer]

Mine is from February 2002 and has the one in the first picture. If the connectors are different, I assume the wiring from a 2003 V40 also won't fit. Darn...

[gatos]

Originally Posted by LTEcactus

They also got a 3 spoke steering wheel as well.
Although I thought these were the phase 2 models, and the phase 1.5 was up until 2002, with the older instrument cluster and 4 spoke steering wheel?

The unofficial term p1.5 was up to around early mid 2000. Reason for this, was that quite a few cars around 2000 came with a mixture of phase 1 and phase 2 parts. The Phase 2 models were from around mid 2000 and up to 2004, but around mid 2002, they introduced a facelift, with the newer 4 dial instrument cluster, 3 spoke steering wheel, cupholders etc

[LTEcactus]

Originally Posted by gatos

The unofficial term p1.5 was up to around early mid 2000. Reason for this, was that quite a few cars around 2000 came with a mixture of phase 1 and phase 2 parts. The Phase 2 models were from around mid 2000 and up to 2004, but around mid 2002, they introduced a facelift, with the newer 4 dial instrument cluster, 3 spoke steering wheel, cupholders etc

Thanks for clarifying.

[P156KWJ]

Originally Posted by gatos

The unofficial term p1.5 was up to around early mid 2000. Reason for this, was that quite a few cars around 2000 came with a mixture of phase 1 and phase 2 parts. The Phase 2 models were from around mid 2000 and up to 2004, but around mid 2002, they introduced a facelift, with the newer 4 dial instrument cluster, 3 spoke steering wheel, cupholders etc

When I needed a replacement bonnet lock (when I did my bonnet cable someone had decided to botch the old lock it turned out), I got one from a T reg (1999) scrapper and wasn't sure it would fit my P2, so assuming that was either a 1.5 or a proper P1 that shares the same part