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Jan 23rd, 2023, 11:03 | #51 | |
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Which is why hydrogen fuel cells are the direction of travel for cars. https://www.toyota.co.uk/hydrogen Last edited by Fastpatsilents; Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:07. |
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Jan 23rd, 2023, 11:06 | #52 | |
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Funny thing the Mirai was around £80k to buy and if it still is it makes it look a bargain against the EX90. The problem with fuel cell is you need a Hindenberg at one end and a firework factory at the other, over complex and not at all safe imo. |
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Jan 23rd, 2023, 13:37 | #54 | |
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Statistically the petrol car will remain higher for a while due to sheer numbers vs, about the diesel though I'd not considered the surface ignition factor only the split tank venting route so I've learned something every day today with that one. I'm wondering if this whole thing is to ration fossil fuel to make it last longer as it's not infinite in it's supply, so if you can get 50% of the demand out of the way then you have 50% more product in reserve for the future. I think EV has it's place, it's in small to medium urban only vehicles, speeds won't be reached to make it dangerous and distances will be within the don't get stranded range. I actually like the idea of them but I do feel they've been rushed to market in a way and there are lessons will be learnt speeches to come hence the motorway pile up post. I see you're still enjoying "my" avatar |
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Jan 23rd, 2023, 14:37 | #55 | |
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Dont tell Porsche https://www.porsche.com/uk/models/ta...models/taycan/ 0-60 in 2.8 seconds, 300 mile range. What is not to like? |
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Jan 23rd, 2023, 20:33 | #56 |
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I was quite enjoying Geoff Buys Cars, especially his love of oldish Volvos, but his later videos appear to be going down the conspiracy route, he even puts a tin-foil hat on, perhaps in jest. There’s good money to be earned on YouTube attracting the conspiracy loons.
I was chatting to my ex AA mate today who ironically had to get the AA out to his wife’s car (crappy bmw mini). He asked the guy how reliable electric cars are and the guy told him they get just as many call outs as they do for petrol and diesel cars. I think there’s a place for electric cars, but they are currently way too expensive and the charging infrastructure isn’t anywhere near good enough. Also the mining for the materials is very controversial. I think a hybrid is probably the best compromise for now and maybe forever. P.S. Wyoming are looking at getting rid of electric cars altogether. |
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It was solely about protecting oil jobs, that's all they said it was about, there was no claim about negatives of EV's except for a fear of jobs being lost in the oil industry. Quote:
Firstly I can't find modern numbers. The numbers that I've seen bandied-about were presented as being about EV's but were actually for Priuses & they were from 15 years ago. So given the lies the oil industry is renowned for, it's hard to know what's true. Second, nobody is saying "get rid of your 740 and buy an EV", it's all about new cars which were going to be ICE purchases anyway. From an environmental impact, you're better running the car you already have, even if it's a little flaky in terms of emissions. Quote:
Lithium's a pretty bad one, and batteries without it are being developed, however with the rise of the EV there're going to be scads of Li-based batteries around. There does still seem to be an issue surrounding carbon emissions during manufacture, too. I mean if it takes 15 years for a newly-made ICE to catch-up with a "polluting old one" in terms of CO2 emissions due to what's generated during manufacture, then it can't be great if EV's generate 75% more CO2 during manufacture due to the batteries: https://www.industryweek.com/technol...rbon-footprint |
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The bill, introduced into the state legislature on Jan. 13 by Senator Jim Anderson and other Republicans, supports phasing out the sale of new electric vehicles in Wyoming by 2035. “Oil and gas production has long been one of Wyoming’s proud and valued industries,” says the bill, adding that the industry has created “countless” jobs in the region and contributed to the state’s coffers throughout its history. The legislation also lists downsides to EVs, such the lack of charging stations in the state and the “massive amounts” of new power generation that would be needed to sustain “the misadventure of electric vehicles.” The supply of critical minerals needed for EVs is limited and not easily recyclable, so landfills will have to develop new practices to dispose of them, the bill says. The resolution winds up by stating that phasing out the sale of new electric vehicles will ensure the stability of Wyoming’s oil and gas industry and help preserve the country’s critical minerals for “vital purposes.” If this all sounds a bit tongue in cheek, it’s because it is — sort of. Anderson told the Washington Post the main motivation for the bill was California’s move in August to go ahead with a ban on new gas vehicles by 2035. “I have a problem with somebody saying, ‘Don’t buy any more petroleum vehicles,'” Anderson told the newspaper, adding that he introduced the bill “just to get the message out that we’re not happy with the states that are outlawing our vehicles.” |
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Jan 25th, 2023, 20:00 | #60 |
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Some more interesting info that you won't find in the normy media.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/e...on_news_static There's quite a lot of pro's and con's and not as simple as no exhaust pipe. Here's a little con list. Power must be generated to charge the car, normally by gas at the powerplant. The chemistry of Lithium batteries is dirty in it's production. Car is heavier meaning more tarmac will need replacing faster. Because the car is heavier it will shed more rubber particulates from the tyres. Because the car uses regeneration more toxic brake pads will be needed. There doesn't seem to be a viable way to recycle or dispose of spent cells. The cost of an EV is off the scale. The px value will be bad after 5 years as the cells will be degraded, 18650's which is the cell of choice normally last about 3 years in a vaping mod, after that the capacity is much reduced, same cells different head count volume. That insufferable bastard across the road who always has to have the latest thing will be seen and heard crowing from morning to evening and beyond *it were this big* There are obviously plus points over an ICE but can you give it the my dicks larger than yours at the lights in a revving contest prior to the drag race along the dual carriageway? Do EV's burble at the lights setting off a chain reaction of ladies thongs landing on the bonnet before she climbs in and says "quote" take me to bed or lose me forever, yeah sowitiz |
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