Bsr rica mte - Page 7

Hemichromis · Jan 18th, 2010, 22:34

i'm sure it would! what engine do you have?

is it just a rica remap?

Hoping to see you have a 2.4t and RICA made it put out 300hp and 400ftlbs torque. would make choosing easier! lol

Dream3r · Jan 18th, 2010, 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by RT Mechanics

Hi Dream3r

This is the first i have heard of a problem with your car or throttle mapping how an earth can a problem be solved if you don't tell Rica or Me ??

Russ

You have PM Russ.

Being honest I didn't think RICA would help, I just presumed all of their throttle maps would be the same.

I'm more that happy to play along though.

GRN Motors · Jan 18th, 2010, 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hemichromis

i'm sure it would! what engine do you have?

is it just a rica remap?

Hoping to see you have a 2.4t and RICA made it put out 300hp and 400ftlbs torque. would make choosing easier! lol

thats the only thing, my car is phase 1 V70R. i havent really got any graphs from the phase 2. the more i think about it, my graph wont be of any use really....i dont think. but i will put it up for you any way.

my car has the off the self rica310, full BSR exhaust system from turbo back, BSR air intake, ported turbo and ME7 manifold, ported throttle body, reverse i/c setup, blue injectors and uprated fuel pump

hope this helps.

Chad

p.s. it could do with a bit of fine tuning.........as the map is for standard setup. I am talking to RICA about tweaking the map for me. Got a couple of dates booked in on a dyno.....hopefully have it sorted soon.

foggyjames · Jan 19th, 2010, 02:09

Out of interest Chad, is it a FWD or AWD? I'm sure you've said before, but I've forgotten

cheers

James

GRN Motors · Jan 19th, 2010, 11:17

Hi james,

its a 2wd manual.

regards

Chad

Nuisance · Jan 19th, 2010, 18:46

The first map I had on my car was a Rica map from VT. Now I have an MTE map (although the car is slightly modded beyond the Rica days)

With the Rica all seemed quite impressive at first.

Bearing in mind that P2 cars (like mine) have electronic throttles, and it is very possible to alter the relationship between the pedal and the engine torque request input.

My overall impressions of the Rica map was that it flattered to deceive.

After the initial lump of power the last bit of pedal travel seemed to be a bit of a nothing experience.

I think that this is what Ben meant when he said "run out of puff" All the gain seemed to be in the first half of the pedal travel.

For me this made it difficult to get the car off the line at the traffic lights. Very dificult in the wet.

I generally felt the impression that the accelerator pedal was only performimg over the first half of it's travel, but you got full power by half way down.

It was one of those maps that just hit you in the back every time you put your foot down.

As for engine performance I felt that the Rica map was much heavier low down, but alass it wasn't so usefull as that was the point where you were always prone to a loss of traction.

The big shock was when trying to out drag (in a safe place) a standard P2 T5 on a slightly moist road. The Rica car COULD NOT get ahead. It just didn't have the traction nescesary to pull away from a standard T5. (Forum user Ben77 will verify this if asked).

The Rica map (for me) just made me want to further improve the car.

In comparison, for me, the MTE map is vastly more useable. Torque seems far more limited at the low end. This allows the car to maintain traction far better, and get itself going off the line far faster. From that point the build up of delivery is constant, even, and relentless.

If the car is already rolling and somewhere in the middle of the rev range (like motorway cruising) the MTE map is brutally powerful on pikcup. It does need a heavy boot of throttle, but you can actually be passed by someone at 90mph whilst sitting at 70mph, yet simply with a foot full of throttle as they get past you can be sitting right on their tailgate immediately, almost as if they collected you on the way past. This ability is brilliantly useful for performing overtaking manoevers on single carriageway roads.

In comparison I found the Rica map to be a little lame in this respect. I had to work the gears much harder, The delivery was less of a constant onslaught, more of just a devastating blast then leaving you feeling "where did it all go". Pickup from rolling, mid revs, was far softer. You got a hell of a shove, but it just didn't keep delivering the goods. It had a tendency to break traction as you tried to pick up the pace, or on a perfectly dry road it would shove you forwards for the first moment, but then not carry on with the task. You'd have to catch up with the car that passed.

Many people (who's opinion I repect) have commented on my MTE map as being the performance of a non-turbo car with a very big engine.
I think in comparison the Rica was more like a big turbodiesel.

Hemichromis · Jan 19th, 2010, 19:18

I think the above was what most of us were waiting for. shame there is no dyno graph but good analysis. I would like more torque low down so just a squeeze will get me ahead however i have a 2.4t that will alway have plenty low down. i really want a car that will pul hard from cuising in 5th but even with the standard 2.4t it wheelspins a bit too easily. (i come form a 245 bhp AWD subaru so i'm used to dumping the clutch at 5000rpm;-) )

BSR is still tempting me though. they seem to do genuine dyno testing. as an example: they found that a sab 2.0t made 168 from the factory (saab say 150) they could have made their gains seem higher by ommitting that fact.

i have also heard that their maps are nice and smooth.

Nuisance · Jan 19th, 2010, 21:07

Dyno graphs aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

All dynos read different.

Some cars behave diferently under differing thermal conditions.

Some cars behave diferently under different loads.

Some dynos put different loads on the cars under test

Like I said, a HUGE difference in maps was experienced when load was applied from a different starting point.

The only real way to make a choice it to A/B test 2 maps on your car drive it as you want and decide based on personal prefernce.

I know that Don (Kalmar Union) lets people "borrow" an MTE map for a week or so, I don't know if Rica UK (Adam) will offer the same service.

strbryan · Jan 19th, 2010, 21:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuisance

Dyno graphs aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

All dynos read different.

Some cars behave diferently under differing thermal conditions.

Some cars behave diferently under different loads.

Some dynos put different loads on the cars under test

Let it go Joules, let it go.

adieu · Jan 19th, 2010, 22:23

http://rides.webshots.com/album/227547674CKUbad

Couple of graphs from my T5R, one of them shows 2 maps 1 MTE the other Rica, both done within a few hours if i remember right. the red coloured one is the MTE. (Its the one with more torque) Graph 2 Rica, Graph 3 MTE and the last one with all mods

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Jan 19th, 2010, 18:46	#66
Nuisance VOC Member Last Online: Jan 20th, 2019 23:05 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Local	The first map I had on my car was a Rica map from VT. Now I have an MTE map (although the car is slightly modded beyond the Rica days) With the Rica all seemed quite impressive at first. Bearing in mind that P2 cars (like mine) have electronic throttles, and it is very possible to alter the relationship between the pedal and the engine torque request input. My overall impressions of the Rica map was that it flattered to deceive. After the initial lump of power the last bit of pedal travel seemed to be a bit of a nothing experience. I think that this is what Ben meant when he said "run out of puff" All the gain seemed to be in the first half of the pedal travel. For me this made it difficult to get the car off the line at the traffic lights. Very dificult in the wet. I generally felt the impression that the accelerator pedal was only performimg over the first half of it's travel, but you got full power by half way down. It was one of those maps that just hit you in the back every time you put your foot down. As for engine performance I felt that the Rica map was much heavier low down, but alass it wasn't so usefull as that was the point where you were always prone to a loss of traction. The big shock was when trying to out drag (in a safe place) a standard P2 T5 on a slightly moist road. The Rica car COULD NOT get ahead. It just didn't have the traction nescesary to pull away from a standard T5. (Forum user Ben77 will verify this if asked). The Rica map (for me) just made me want to further improve the car. In comparison, for me, the MTE map is vastly more useable. Torque seems far more limited at the low end. This allows the car to maintain traction far better, and get itself going off the line far faster. From that point the build up of delivery is constant, even, and relentless. If the car is already rolling and somewhere in the middle of the rev range (like motorway cruising) the MTE map is brutally powerful on pikcup. It does need a heavy boot of throttle, but you can actually be passed by someone at 90mph whilst sitting at 70mph, yet simply with a foot full of throttle as they get past you can be sitting right on their tailgate immediately, almost as if they collected you on the way past. This ability is brilliantly useful for performing overtaking manoevers on single carriageway roads. In comparison I found the Rica map to be a little lame in this respect. I had to work the gears much harder, The delivery was less of a constant onslaught, more of just a devastating blast then leaving you feeling "where did it all go". Pickup from rolling, mid revs, was far softer. You got a hell of a shove, but it just didn't keep delivering the goods. It had a tendency to break traction as you tried to pick up the pace, or on a perfectly dry road it would shove you forwards for the first moment, but then not carry on with the task. You'd have to catch up with the car that passed. Many people (who's opinion I repect) have commented on my MTE map as being the performance of a non-turbo car with a very big engine. I think in comparison the Rica was more like a big turbodiesel. __________________ *To summarize:* It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. *To summarize the summary:* Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. *To summarize the summary of the summary:* People are a problem.

Jan 19th, 2010, 21:07	#68
Nuisance VOC Member Last Online: Jan 20th, 2019 23:05 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Local	Dyno graphs aren't worth the paper they're printed on. All dynos read different. Some cars behave diferently under differing thermal conditions. Some cars behave diferently under different loads. Some dynos put different loads on the cars under test Like I said, a HUGE difference in maps was experienced when load was applied from a different starting point. The only real way to make a choice it to A/B test 2 maps on your car drive it as you want and decide based on personal prefernce. I know that Don (Kalmar Union) lets people "borrow" an MTE map for a week or so, I don't know if Rica UK (Adam) will offer the same service. __________________ *To summarize:* It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. *To summarize the summary:* Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. *To summarize the summary of the summary:* People are a problem.

Jan 19th, 2010, 22:23	#70
adieu Master Member Last Online: Feb 5th, 2021 19:07 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: swindon	http://rides.webshots.com/album/227547674CKUbad Couple of graphs from my T5R, one of them shows 2 maps 1 MTE the other Rica, both done within a few hours if i remember right. the red coloured one is the MTE. (Its the one with more torque) Graph 2 Rica, Graph 3 MTE and the last one with all mods __________________ Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary… That’s what gets you. A turbo: Exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster

Jan 18th, 2010, 22:34	#61
Hemichromis Junior Member Last Online: Oct 8th, 2011 14:12 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cambridge	i'm sure it would! what engine do you have? is it just a rica remap? Hoping to see you have a 2.4t and RICA made it put out 300hp and 400ftlbs torque. would make choosing easier! lol

Jan 19th, 2010, 19:18	#67
Hemichromis Junior Member Last Online: Oct 8th, 2011 14:12 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cambridge	I think the above was what most of us were waiting for. shame there is no dyno graph but good analysis. I would like more torque low down so just a squeeze will get me ahead however i have a 2.4t that will alway have plenty low down. i really want a car that will pul hard from cuising in 5th but even with the standard 2.4t it wheelspins a bit too easily. (i come form a 245 bhp AWD subaru so i'm used to dumping the clutch at 5000rpm;-) ) BSR is still tempting me though. they seem to do genuine dyno testing. as an example: they found that a sab 2.0t made 168 from the factory (saab say 150) they could have made their gains seem higher by ommitting that fact. i have also heard that their maps are nice and smooth.

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