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Mar 14th, 2024, 18:50 | #1001 | |
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46kW of energy will move our EV 191 miles on average based on the numbers from the last 3⅐ years. 46kW (a gallon) of diesel moves my S60 D3 a best 65 miles over the last 10+ years I've had the car. Yes, I could probably better that but I don't hyper mile either car.
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Mar 14th, 2024, 19:05 | #1002 | |
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In both cases we have governments of the time to blame who chose to use taxation as a blunt instrument to effect rapid change, without a good understanding of all of the long terms affects those changes might actually bring with them.
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Those that thought they could drive around in an EV and pay nothing were clearly mistaken. For years they've had no road tax, no hefty fuel pump prices (remember when it was £2 a litre for diesel?), no congestion charges and no ulez fees. So as hard a pill as it may be to swallow, ICE owners have been used to paying, whereas EV owners haven't paid a thing (apart from home/public charging). It will come as a big shock to EV owner's, but look at the bigger picture with regards to what ICE owner's have had to pay. If people want more places to charge their EV's that actually work (away from home), the money has to come from somewhere at the end of the day. With regards to a flat rate. It does sound like a good idea, but what's a fair flate rate? There's a lot of things to take into account. That would mean that the person who does 50,000 a year pays the same as someone who does 5k, regardless of whether they're in a 3 tonne SUV or a Smart car. Pay per mile may make more sense in that respect.
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Indeed. And we have everything in place for that and have done so for years. It's called fuel duty.
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Mar 14th, 2024, 20:47 | #1005 |
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[QUOTE=Moose Test;2940789]Indeed. And we have everything in place for that and have done so for years. It's called fuel duty.[/QUOTE
Agreed! The pay per mile would soon become, pay more per mile depending on the time of day. A bit like the real reason for so called, Smart Meters!
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[QUOTE=Moomoo;2940797]Isn't that how it works today with trains, planes, ferries, Eurotunnel ? You travel at peak times you pay a premium.
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[QUOTE=GMcL;2940799]You’re right. It doesn’t mean I have to like it!🤨
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I honestly think that's why it hasn't happened a lot more in a lot more places ... NSW in Straya even has the opposite, where if you're in a car club & you subscribe to the scheme you can pay 10% of our equivalent of MoT if your car's over 25 years old (I think it's 25). I really don't think they'd have done that if they'd thought they could've scored more political points at less cost to charge more. Yep. If they ditched that and replaced it with equivalent per-distance charges for vehicle registration I'd have no problem with that ... except people would tinker with the odo, so that would become even more illegal than it is now & security would be too hard so all cars would have to send all their data (including the current speed-limit & current speed) back to the Central Billing Agency. Last edited by Forg; Mar 14th, 2024 at 21:17. |
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Mar 14th, 2024, 21:43 | #1009 |
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It's not a question of being right or wrong. The whole UK economy is London/SE centric, more and more people move there, the government sets policy for the whole country to fix a problem in one area. That and regional councils are potless, public services need funding or cutting, central government prioritising NI cuts over public service funding. Give with one hand, take with the other.
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There's been talk of a pay per mile system being introduced here, not with fuel duty or higher prices at the pumps per se, but motorists being charged x amount based on how many miles they do per year and using this type of scheme to replace annual road tax. So the more miles you do, the more you pay. Nothing confirmed yet, but there's been discussions about it. I know we have a pay per mile system in a way already with fuel duty, but this will be different (if implemented). https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/fue...ost-fuel-duty/ I found an interesting comment on this site; "For those wondering how road pricing might work, consider the following: All new vehicles sold in the EU and UK after March 2018 (and no doubt vehicles manufactured prior to that date) have been required to have an embedded eSIM to allow the vehicle to communicate over 2G, 3G and 4G mobile telephone networks. The integration of the telematics to the vehicle's operating system presents opportunities for central government to receive mileage, positional data and VIN number". It doesn't take a genius to work out how the government will start taxing vehicles per mile." Another comment; "This is so wrong on so many levels. Measuring use by mileage favours those with huge vehicles using the most energy and doing the most damage to the roads regardless of what energy type is used. The simplest and fairest method would be to scrap the current system and add the tax to petrol, diesel and electric charging points. Much simpler, much fairer, no tracking, no infrastructure changes. Pensioners who pop down the shops once a week pay little. People who choose huge unnecessary vehicles pay most. If there is a worry that this would be a problem for road goods transport, just put trackers on those vehicles and have a rebate system tailored to encourage less energy using and damaging vehicles. An added bonus would be visitors to the UK would also contribute for their use." https://www.cinch.co.uk/news/pay-per...uk--everything I read on another site (can't remember which) that there could be a free mileage allowance based on your Post Code, but it would be higher for those living in rural areas. Also, extra charges for peak time driving to help reduce congestion. Not confirmed, just speculation now. Thoughts? -Pay per mile? Or... -Flat rate road tax for all vehicles (electric, petrol, hybrid and diesel), regardless of the miles they do? (probably means more expensive road tax) Or... -Higher prices at the pumps/charging points? The Government will, no doubt, find a way to fill the money they're losing on fuel duty. Its only a matter of time before a big change comes. We just don't know what it is, yet.
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