Will diesel cars be worthless in five years?

[Joe of Loath]

If the pollution smells like a chippie, I'm not complaining.

[Combat Squirrel]

Originally Posted by Munro83

Utter rubbish. You take a square mile of London compared to where I live- you will have far higher population- cars- buses-delivery vans-lorries. I think my village has a population of roughly 100-200. You won't get that in London. More people mean more buses/lorries/delivery vans. I think we get 1 bus every couple of hrs.

I'm not denying there is problem but you can't bunch everyone together and say we all have the same impact because we don't.

So you're saying your 2.4d being driven in Scotland produces less pollutants than a 2.4d being driven in London? Intriguing!

[volvoid]

City taxes on diesels will be an even better earner for councils than the safety revenue cameras

[tt82]

I think what he meant was that 5 cars being driven per square mile (ie Scottish Highlands) emit less pollution than 5000 cars being driven per square mile (ie central London)!

But the other example works effectively as well. A car stuck in slow moving stop/start traffic will be less efficient than a car travelling at an economical speed, and will therefore emit more pollution!

[Combat Squirrel]

So, figuratively speaking, let's say 100 people all stood together in the middle of London. They're eating a packet of crisps each and when they're finished every one of them discard their empty packet on the ground. Each person should/would be penalised for this.

Say if there is just one guy stood in Scotland and he threw his crisp packet on the floor, he shouldn't be penalised, well because it's just one packet, so not really as bad as 100? Because that's the logic I see being applied here.

[Prufrock]

Originally Posted by Combat Squirrel

So, figuratively speaking, let's say 100 people all stood together in the middle of London. They're eating a packet of crisps each and when they're finished every one of them discard their empty packet on the ground. Each person should/would be penalised for this.

Say if there is just one guy stood in Scotland and he threw his crisp packet on the floor, he shouldn't be penalised, well because it's just one packet, so not really as bad as 100? Because that's the logic I see being applied here.

I like it.

Jon.

[tt82]

Originally Posted by Combat Squirrel

So, figuratively speaking, let's say 100 people all stood together in the middle of London. They're eating a packet of crisps each and when they're finished every one of them discard their empty packet on the ground. Each person should/would be penalised for this.

Say if there is just one guy stood in Scotland and he threw his crisp packet on the floor, he shouldn't be penalised, well because it's just one packet, so not really as bad as 100? Because that's the logic I see being applied here.

Littering is an offence, driving a diesel car isn't. Lets compare Apples with Apples here!

It has been said before, what is really needed is to stop dealers selling diesel cars to OAP's and school run mum's who use the cars for very short journey. Once you do that you will remove a lot of diesel engines from the equation. Then instead of going after responsible owners, target the irresponsible owners of both diesel and petrol cars who interfere with their cars emissions systems by blanking EGR's and removing DPF's.

A blanket ban on diesel engines is just stupid.

[ICantSpell]

Originally Posted by Combat Squirrel

So, figuratively speaking, let's say 100 people all stood together in the middle of London. They're eating a packet of crisps each and when they're finished every one of them discard their empty packet on the ground. Each person should/would be penalised for this.

Say if there is just one guy stood in Scotland and he threw his crisp packet on the floor, he shouldn't be penalised, well because it's just one packet, so not really as bad as 100? Because that's the logic I see being applied here.

I dont read him giving that impression at all in what he said. Either you have never had a diesel car or you have and just not mentioned it, I can understand why. For some people that have distances to travel they have been beneficial.

[Prufrock]

Come on guys lighten up...many of you don't have a grip on this subject, it's a hugely complex one. Not one of you has mentioned PM10s or energy security - I did refer to the gradual demise of refineries in the UK.

Brexiteers bang on about sovereignty: or don't you get the connection.

Jon.

[Combat Squirrel]

Originally Posted by tt82

Littering is an offence, driving a diesel car isn't. Lets compare Apples with Apples here!

It has been said before, what is really needed is to stop dealers selling diesel cars to OAP's and school run mum's who use the cars for very short journey. Once you do that you will remove a lot of diesel engines from the equation. Then instead of going after responsible owners, target the irresponsible owners of both diesel and petrol cars who interfere with their cars emissions systems by blanking EGR's and removing DPF's.

A blanket ban on diesel engines is just stupid.

But how would that even be enforced?
"oh Hi madam, do you intend to drive this car on a school run?"
"no"
"well ok then, here are the keys".

Littering is an offence, the principle remains and you never know, diesel cars might become illegal one day

Originally Posted by ICantSpell

I dont read him giving that impression at all in what he said. Either you have never had a diesel car or you have and just not mentioned it, I can understand why. For some people that have distances to travel they have been beneficial.

I own two diesels and one petrol car. I'm getting rid of one of the diesels for another petrol. At some point in the future I hope to own something like a tesla. It makes sense.

I don't even have an issue with owning a diesel car, but I do think people should be penalised accordingly if you decide to do so. The issue I have is people who remark "I should be exempt because I need the torque to tow something"... No petal, you're not special. It's all pretty much moot anyway. The government will impose what ever taxation/penalty is required. People will whinge, but you'll pay it or you'll simply change your habits.