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[Whippy]

Originally Posted by don kalmar union

I appreciate your quoting 'lord' Ashcroft and the journals associated 'til recently with the feuding remnants of the disintegrating Barclay Family.... all... ALL tax dodgers on an epic scale... certainly in relation to the less than £1500 that Rayner is being judged on having possibly 'dodged'.... then 'lord' Lebedev... a Russian.... a billionaire russian ennobled by Johnson and owner of The Independant. In fairness the estimable journalist writing in The Spectator, Kate Balls is often seen taking a very equitable stand on TV political programs and has her work published in The Guardian and in other journals of the centre and of a leftish persuasion.

I would raise you a recent piece from The Guardian.... https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-class-shaming

Don.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68797258

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/202...cil-house-sale

https://www.ft.com/content/329ff217-...7-a6d2a0b1e8a8

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-la...council-house/

And you asked me to show where I got it from. So it's everywhere, literally, everywhere. Trying to discredit the source chimes well with David Lammy trying to convince the public that it doesn't count because we're not in power. Laughable, and desperate.

[don kalmar union]

All you can offer is the proper reporting of the true desperation of the governing party in making allegations that are open to being proven. Presently no facts whatsoever, just panic and grasping at straws.

Hopefully this decent and capable woman and those around her will handle whatever the Police are able to report on and and she will be able to serve us well in the future in our next government.....

Don.

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by don kalmar union

All you can offer is the proper reporting of the true desperation of the governing party in making allegations that are open to being proven. Presently no facts whatsoever, just panic and grasping at straws.

Hopefully this decent and capable woman and those around her will handle whatever the Police are able to report on and and she will be able to serve us well in the future in our next government.....

Don.

Very funny.... historically the current governing party has been the brunt of just about every ruse. i.e. first lockdown fines issues same week and 3 days after Khan forced our the Met Commissioner - very smelly.

What is being reported is the fact that the Police have discovered sufficient evidence of criminal offences having being committed so that under their due process they are duty bound to start a formal investigation into Angela Rayner, which will mean she is interviewed under caution. Whilst it's entirely possible she will be cleared, it's a position of suspicion that would have been avoided if she's conducted herself properly.

And she may be decent and capable but so far clearly she doesn't have the experience or gravitas to fill that post. The Labour Party have a histroy of appointing Deputy PM's from 'up Nurth - John Precott - like him or loathe him he'd been around the block and knew how to operate. Regardless of any good intent, Angela Rayner is a country mile away from that, as is Starmer. She's not educated, she doesn't know how to behave. She's described herself as John Prescott in a skirt, but actually she's much more like Boris Johnson in suspenders (a horrible thought).

[Andymharrison]

I think suspicion of evidence is a more accurate description, if they had evidence she would be charged already.

It's a storm in a teacup, a desperate government who have failed by just about every measure trying to distract attention from themselves by going after the thing they can't handle, a woman who speaks her mind and doesn't know her "proper place".

Like her or loathe her we need more like her, people who have lived an actual life, not people who think a life of privilege gives them an automatic right to power.

[Moomoo]

Originally Posted by Andymharrison

I think suspicion of evidence is a more accurate description, if they had evidence she would be charged already.

It's a storm in a teacup, a desperate government who have failed by just about every measure trying to distract attention from themselves by going after the thing they can't handle, a woman who speaks her mind and doesn't know her "proper place".

Like her or loathe her we need more like her, people who have lived an actual life, not people who think a life of privilege gives them an automatic right to power.

Heaven help us, more like her………….oppertunist chav who’s found something better than working for a living!

[Kev0607]

I'm not entirely convinced Rayner is deputy leader material.

Like I said in an earlier post, its bad no matter which way we look at it.

Sunak will probably lose the general election. Then we'll end up with Starmer and Rayner. I wouldn't call it an improvement.

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by Andymharrison

I think suspicion of evidence is a more accurate description, if they had evidence she would be charged already.

Like her or loathe her we need more like her, people who have lived an actual life, not people who think a life of privilege gives them an automatic right to power.

Not quite - there is evidence, and hence usual procedure to open a formal investigation so that can enable other processes such as arrest and interview under caution, as well requesting records and documents under the regulatory investigative powers act. Depending on the act and the nature of the evidence, the Police may refer it to the CPS for a charging decision, or make it themselves. Make no mistake though this could be quite serious, it's being investigated as a criminal matter - it's not just paying back tax arrears. But as you say and I said, it may well be she is cleared or there is insufficient evidence to have confidence of obtaining a conviction. Personally, I don't think she actually understands what she's done or the significance of it.

And we absolutely don't need more people like here - we need a government built on honest, credible, educated, experienced, consistent and strategic leaders who have integrity - not more noisy gobsh1tes like her. Likeable to some though she maybe, like Liz Truss, once in power she's quickly fall apart and won't have the support from the establishment. Unfortunately the people we really need, be that red or blue, aren't popular in a social media YouTube world.

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

Sunak will probably lose the general election. Then we'll end up with Starmer and Rayner. I wouldn't call it an improvement.

I think at least the last 3 elections could be described as that, they were lost, not won.....

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by Tannaton

Not quite - there is evidence, and hence usual procedure to open a formal investigation so that can enable other processes such as arrest and interview under caution, as well requesting records and documents under the regulatory investigative powers act. Depending on the act and the nature of the evidence, the Police may refer it to the CPS for a charging decision, or make it themselves. Make no mistake though this could be quite serious, it's being investigated as a criminal matter - it's not just paying back tax arrears. But as you say and I said, it may well be she is cleared or there is insufficient evidence to have confidence of obtaining a conviction. Personally, I don't think she actually understands what she's done or the significance of it.

And we absolutely don't need more people like here - we need a government built on honest, credible, educated, experienced, consistent and strategic leaders who have integrity - not more noisy gobsh1tes like her. Likeable to some though she maybe, like Liz Truss, once in power she's quickly fall apart and won't have the support from the establishment. Unfortunately the people we really need, be that red or blue, aren't popular in a social media YouTube world.

So not labour or conservative then, or anyone currently in Parliament.

Yep, we’re goosed.

[Andymharrison]

Originally Posted by Tannaton

Not quite - there is evidence, and hence usual procedure to open a formal investigation so that can enable other processes such as arrest and interview under caution, as well requesting records and documents under the regulatory investigative powers act. Depending on the act and the nature of the evidence, the Police may refer it to the CPS for a charging decision, or make it themselves. Make no mistake though this could be quite serious, it's being investigated as a criminal matter - it's not just paying back tax arrears. But as you say and I said, it may well be she is cleared or there is insufficient evidence to have confidence of obtaining a conviction. Personally, I don't think she actually understands what she's done or the significance of it.

And we absolutely don't need more people like here - we need a government built on honest, credible, educated, experienced, consistent and strategic leaders who have integrity - not more noisy gobsh1tes like her. Likeable to some though she maybe, like Liz Truss, once in power she's quickly fall apart and won't have the support from the establishment. Unfortunately the people we really need, be that red or blue, aren't popular in a social media YouTube world.

No, at the moment there is hearsay and opinion. The police have decided there is enough of it to take a look. After an investigation they will produce a file of evidence and a recommendation whether to charge or not. Evidence does not precede an investigation.

While I don't particularly like her or her style we need far more people with the likes of her background, not less. Parliament on all sides is stuffed with trust fund Hooray Henrys and career politicians who know nothing about a real days work or understand the impact of their policies. Few of them are fit to make decisions that change all our lives. We need far more MPs from a working background.

Personally I doubt there is anything in it but bad feeling from a red wall tory about to loose his seat, I can't see her offering to step down if there was any chance she would have to.