Parking Tickets - Pay or Ignore

[Alinherts]

They are a private parking company so no powers to issue a fine or penallty. As said before they can only take you to court for breach of contract - unless their sign mentions fine or penalty which means it would be thrown out before it got started.

Of course they have no right to ask who was driving the vehicle at the time of the parking matter took place so they cannot start court proceedings if they do not have the name.

On the plus side you have won a free supply of loo role!

[tt82]

Intresting to see the view of Watchdog - Watch this

[Oilydad]

I would throw it in the bin, and ignore all follow up.

They are looking for people who they think they can threaten. Don't take the bait. They have NO right to send you anything.

The fact that this dodgy firm is based where it is says it all to me. In these times all the scams in the book are coming out.

[The Hitcher]

The man who owns this company, has been around a while and has a reputation to match:
2005
2010

Another interesting article. http://ukrights.wetpaint.com/page/1....t+News+Stories

[The Hitcher]

  Domain name:
        ce-service.co.uk

    Registrant:
        CIVIL ENFORCMENT LTD

    Registrant type:
        UK Limited Company, (Company number: 5645677)

    Registrant's address:
        DBH House, Carlton Square
        Nottingham
        NG4 3BP
        United Kingdom

    Registrar:
        Webfusion Ltd [Tag = S2CONSULTING]
        URL: http://www.donhost.co.uk

    Relevant dates:
        Registered on: 29-Nov-2005
        Renewal date:  29-Nov-2011
        Last updated:  06-Oct-2009

    Registration status:
        Registered until renewal date.

    Name servers:
        ns1.turbodns.co.uk        109.104.70.194
        ns2.turbodns.co.uk        92.51.159.46

    WHOIS lookup made at 16:18:24 31-Jan-2011

Address may be different but company number the same.
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/d9...29/compdetails

The Webfusion link would be more than proof to me the two outfits are linked.

  



    Domain name:
        creativecarpark.co.uk

    Registrant:
        Gary Wayne

    Registrant type:
        UK Individual

    Registrant's address:
        Suite 100
        3 Park Street
        London
        W1K 7HD
        United Kingdom

    Registrar:
        Webfusion Ltd [Tag = S2CONSULTING]
        URL: http://www.donhost.co.uk

    Relevant dates:
        Registered on: 01-Nov-2001
        Renewal date:  01-Nov-2011
        Last updated:  06-Oct-2009

    Registration status:
        Registered until renewal date.

    Name servers:
        ns1.turbodns.co.uk        109.104.70.194
        ns2.turbodns.co.uk        92.51.159.46

    WHOIS lookup made at 16:14:33 31-Jan-2011

If of course this was not there

Registration Number: Z9389969

Date Registered: 02 March 2006 Registration Expires: 01 March 2007

Data Controller: CIVIL ENFORCEMENT LTD

Address: DBH HOUSE, CARLTON SQU, NOTTINGHAM. NG4 3BP

Other Names:

TRAFFICGUARD
CE-SERVICE
CREATIVE CAR PARK

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This register entry describes, in very general terms, the personal data being processed by:

CIVIL ENFORCEMENT LTD

This register entry contains personal data held for 2 purpose(s)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Purpose 1 - Private Investigation
Purpose 2 - Debt Administration and Factoring

So he owns several business' involved in the "Parking Game" and the one that made me chuckle

Private Investigation

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...el-clampers.do

[SwedishVillain]

I got sent a parking notice for spending more than 3 hours at a service station on the M1 at a Mazda meet, and they kept sending me letters and in the end, they just gave up. The only ones you should pay are the ones from Councils and the Police.

If you have any queries, then go to MoneySavingExpert.com as they have a forum which have loads of people asking about things like that.

Hope this helps

[The Hitcher]

Another front for Mr Wayne:

 Domain name:
        newlynplc.co.uk

    Registrant:
        Newlyn PLC

    Registrant type:
        Unknown

    Registrant's address:
        Newlyn PLC
        59, Clark Street
        NORTHAMPTON
        Middlesex
        NN1 4PL
        United Kingdom

    Registrar:
        British Telecommunications plc t/a BTNET [Tag = BTNET]
        URL: http://www.bt.com/BTNet

    Relevant dates:
        Registered on: 19-Jan-2006
        Renewal date:  19-Jan-2012
        Last updated:  13-Nov-2009

    Registration status:
        Registered until renewal date.

    Name servers:
        ns0.bt.net
        ns1.bt.net
        ns2.bt.net

    WHOIS lookup made at 19:05:54 31-Jan-2011

I nearly fell off my chair seeing Middx in the "Northampton" (forwarding) address. People use Northampton because it is the most used County court with regard to the small claims, usually by Barclaycard.
This is a serious paux pas, confusing the forwarding address with the operating address of Newlyn being 180-188, Northolt Rd, South Harrow
Harrow, Middlesex, or 584 2nd Floor,High Rd,Wembley,Middlesex,HA0 2DB.




Oh, and where does the mail get redirected to from Northampton, Liverpool and god knows where-else.

Here:

http://www.designercrystal.co.uk/

How do i know:

Designer Crystal is owned by:

    Domain name:
        designercrystal.co.uk

    Registrant:
        ovda

    Trading as:
        Ovda trading ltd

    Registrant type:
        UK Limited Company, (Company number: 6790201)

    Registrant's address:
        Suite 100, 571 Finchley Road
        London
        London
        NW3 7BN
        United Kingdom

    Registrar:
        eNom, Inc. [Tag = ENOM]
        URL: http://www.enom.com

    Relevant dates:
        Registered on: 12-May-2009
        Renewal date:  12-May-2011
        Last updated:  23-Jun-2009

    Registration status:
        Registered until renewal date.

    Name servers:
        ns1.d3hosting.com
        ns2.d3hosting.com

    WHOIS lookup made at 18:42:56 31-Jan-2011

And Ovda Trading have/had (mute point i expect) a connection to........

Companies House Details
Companies House Number: 06790201
Incorporation Date: 13 Jan 2009
Last company return showing the directors and ownership details: Filed on: 22 Jan 10
Made up to: 13 Jan 10
Purchase a copy of this company return for only £4.99
Sample return
6 documents available View other documents available on this company
Financial Year End31-01
Accounts Overdue

People connected with the Company
LEEAT WAYNEAppointment terminated as secretary on 10 Jun 2010 (Document)
GARY WAYNEAppointment terminated as director on 10 Jun 2010 (Document)
SHIMON OHANAAppointed as director on 27 May 2010 (Document)

http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/ovda-trading

Ok so lets use the Ovda registered address for a dig.

Suite 100, 571 Finchley Road
London
London
NW3 7BN

http://www.ukcom114.com/company.asp?id=2221235
PMSL, not another one FFS.
You can write to Mr Wayne:
7 Northolm
Edgware
Middlesex
HA8 9RL

[jazzy]

Originally Posted by The Hitcher

People use Northampton because it is the most used County court with regard to the small claims, usually by Barclaycard.
..

Northampton is the court that deals with all the moneyclaim online small claim court actions. As a defendant you can request that it is transferred to a court local to you.

As for this particular circumstance:

This 'scam' relies on contract law. e.g. you have overstayed the allotted time and breached the implied contract you undertook by parking in the car park in the first place.

There's no reason to pay this, mainly because as it concerns a breach of contract, the only claim they can legitimately make is for loss incurred as a direct result of that breach. If the car park was free to park in, then they've lost £0, so even if they did go to court, there's nothing for them to claim.

Also, they pay DVLA £2 to get the registered keepers details. However there is no obligation for the registered keeper to name the driver, and it is only the driver who they could chase for payment as it is the driver who entered into the contract by parking there.

These outfits make their money by sending officious looking letters which are meant to look like a PCN but are actually an invoice.

Do not enter into any correspondence with them, just file away and wait for the next letter. You'll get 4 or 5 before they get bored and pester someone else.

They'll threaten baliffs, and bad credit history, but unless, they actually go to court, convince the magistrate that they have actually incurred a loss, that they have identified the driver, and won, and then you haven't paid them following a court order, none of these things will happen.

[tt82]

Thank you for all that info Mr Hitcher, just saved me £45.

[The Hitcher]

The link between Gary Wayne and Gary and Wayne Southall is too interesting to pass off.

As has been proven before a "Static" address is no proof of residence.

Im sure Gary Wayne' removal as a director of Ovda Trading had no involvement in the case of Wayne Southall despite several (undisclosed im afraid) links http://www.thelawpages.com/court-cas...all-5883-1.law
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Date 	: 	26-11-2010
Court Type 	: 	Crown Court
Court Location 	: 	Birmingham
Judge 	: 	Judge Robert Juckes
Defendant Name 	: 	Wayne Southall
Defendant Gender 	: 	Male
Defendant Age 	: 	41 Years
Co-Defendant/s 	: 	Yes
  	  	
Offence 	: 	Conspiracy to defraud
Sentence 	: 	Custodial immediate
Sentence notes 	: 	Not Recorded
Length 	: 	2 Years
  	  	
  	  	  	 
Sentencing Considerations 	
Undertaken in a group 	: 	Yes
Victim was serving the public 	: 	No
Victim sustained injuries 	: 	No
  	  	 
Total Sentence 	: 	2 Years
Likely Release Date 	: 	26/11/2011
Distinguishing Features/Facts 	: 	Southall was a member of a clamping firm which usedfraudulent methods to clamp motorists, and charged them to cancel tow-trucks which had not been called, alongside a standard �125 release fee.

"Again and again in this case, the victims say they looked for signs and they couldn't see them...There was a real element of menace involved..This kind of operation has been a running sore in this city for many years, and in other cities as well, and it plainly calls for sentences that stamp on the practice." 	 
Sentenced 	: 	On Plea

Offence 	: 	Conspiracy to defraud
Legislation 	: 	Common Law / Criminal Justice Act 1987
Section 	: 	Section 12
Cases	:	Stephen Benson (2011-01-25)
Nicholas Derek Harris (2011-01-21)
Matthew Lee Higgins (2011-01-21)
Mark Edward Dixon (2011-01-21)
Paul David Hilton (2010-12-08)
Kevin Christian (2010-12-08)
Melvyn Hayden (2010-12-08)
Dominic O'Carroll (2010-12-08)
Philip Bennett (2010-11-26)
Victoria Charlton (2010-11-26)
Wayne Southall (2010-11-26)
Gary Southall (2010-11-26)
Daren Pooley (2010-11-22)
Stephen John Butler (2010-11-22)
Nicola Jayne Pooley (2010-11-22)
Jaspal Singh Bachada (2010-10-05)
Ikhlaq Hussain (2010-10-05)
Mark David Smith (2010-08-16)
William Godley (2010-08-05)
Rahul Natwar Patel (2010-07-22)

For those who have PM'd asking how I found the home address of Gary Wayne, im sorry i cannot give this information, needless to say it is available on the net rather than obtained by a crude crack or underhand method
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