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Oct 16th, 2015, 12:25 | #11 | |
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If your O2 sensor is pegging low at idle you need to check on the scan tool to confirm the system has gone into closed loop control, if it remains in open loop control there will be no STFT or LTFT corrections and the system will be using substituted values. Check to see if the O2 sensor starts switching when held at 2000 rpm, if no then I would recommend "force" rich and lean testing of the sensor to see if it responds.
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Alright, took a closer look at the oxygen sensor response. Here are the results of the front oxygen sensor. Values are in closed loop mode (engine at operating temperature):
IDLE Voltage output: constant 0V Short Term Fuel Trim: constant 0% ~2000 RPM Voltage output: constant 0V Short Term Fuel Trim: constant 0% ~3000 RPM+: Voltage output: 0-1V oscillation Short Term Fuel Trim: variable negative (-6ish %) What puzzles me is that at idle and up to ~2500RPM both the voltage and short fuel trim are zero. I thought 0V output should increase the fuel trim as a response? Also, the rear oxygen sensor is at constant 1V regardless of RPM, so I assume it's dead. As far as I know it's main purpose is monitoring the condition of the catalytic converter, does it affect the fuel trim on Volvos? Last edited by ww1dm1; Oct 17th, 2015 at 17:17. |
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The rear oxygen sensor should stabilize at around 0.7 v if all is well when properly warmed up .
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At idle and at 2000 RPM the sensor is not switching the ECU will not believe that it is in closed loop and during that stage STFT is disabled hence why you are not seeing any reaction. At 3000 RPM combustion gases are hot enough to bring the sensor on line and it starts switching so STFT can now take place.
Agree with Clan that the could be an issue with the heating circuit but they do normally and reliably flag a DTC for a failed heater circuit be it no supply voltage through an open circuit or fuse or the heater coil has gone open circuit. It could be that the heating coil is just worn out and the ECU is seeing current flow but the coil is producing no heat. I have dealt with many wiring faults over the years on O2 sensors so it worth a visual inspection just to make sure the sensor harness is not coming in contact with the hot exhaust under engine torque momentarily shorting the signal wire to ground. Some simple tests are to disconnect the sensor key on engine off scan tool connected. The ECU self diagnostics run a bias line voltage on the signal wire, when disconnected the scan tool should see around 0.45 volts this would prove the signal wire is good (signal wire purple ECU side). Next jump the purple to the black/white wire (sensor ground via ECU), if scan tool O2 voltage drops to zero then ground is good. Heater supply wire (red/black) test for system voltage use a test light with about 1 amp draw connected to red/black and ground. Next test heater ECU control connect test light to battery positive run engine and then touch the Green/white wire. The light should pulse fast as this is ECU ground side switched pulse width modulated circuit. If the wiring tests out good then I will describe the forced rich lean test to confirm sensor is failing. |
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A heater problem would make sense, the fuse is good though. I read the codes with another cable and VolFCR, here's what I've got:
EFI-212 Front heated oxygen sensor (H2OS), signal faulty EFI-435 Front heated oxygen sensor short-term fuel trim signal faulty EFI-512 Short term fuel trim, changes too quickly EFI-522 Rear heated oxygen sensor (H2OS) preheating circuit fault Strangely there's no bad heating circuit error for the front sensor and no missing signal error for the rear sensor, like it's switched up. I assumed that the software considers the front sensor to be "Bank 1 Sensor 1" and the rear one to be "Bank 1 Sensor 2", but I am not too sure about that anymore, maybe it's backwards. I'll try the manual tests as you instruct. |
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Alright, I'm really pulling my hair out here. Went to do the tests, reading oxygen sensor value while the front sensor is disconnected without the engine running gives me the same 1V as before. The color coding was different as well, so decided to put off further tests until I figure it out. Also couldn't find the connector for the rear one, expected to find it next to the front one, but all the other connectors nearby are 2-3 pin.
Important part now - took another look at the oxygen sensor values again. I warmed it up, cleared the DTCs and switched to LPG. To my surprise the front sensor was showing a proper oscillation and a small fuel trim even at idle, it seemed to be working as it should and didn't throw any DTCs for the front sensor. However as soon as I switched back to petrol again the short term fuel trim started climbing until it reached ~40% and suddenly dropped down to zero. I assume that's when it set off a DTC and stopped taking the fuel trim into account. And after that I found the same EFI-212 and EFI-435 for the front sensor. If I'm not being clear enough I saved some graphs I could upload. So basically, I believe the front sensor is fine (rear one still seems to be dead), I just have a morbidly high fuel trim on petrol. And it can't be vacuum leaks. I think I do have a small one or two, but it runs more or less fine on LPG and very unreliably on petrol. EDIT: Unless... as far as I know LPG runs hotter than petrol. If LPG exhaust gas alone is hot enough to maintain proper oxygen sensor temperature and after switching to petrol it drops down then maybe the voltage starts rising as it cools untill it reaches 1V and shows us rapidly rising fuel trim. Does it run that much hotter? Last edited by ww1dm1; Oct 24th, 2015 at 18:15. |
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In Vadis EFI-522 Rear heated oxygen sensor (H2OS) preheating circuit fault
is also the same error code for the Front O2 sensor heater. You have to look at the list of codes carefully as it is easy to miss. DTC`s don`t necessarily happen instantly! Just like it may take so many cold starts to disable them completely although erased by yourself. The connector on the rear O2 sensor was up on the bulkhead in 1997 version (with the longer connecting wire) but moved in 1998 to behind the centre console with the (shorter wire and a sealing bung) on the left side when sitting in the car. If you remove the side panel the connector is up on the metal struts. The rear sensor on the T4 does effect fuel trim as it not only reports back about the cat. The front and rear sensor communicate with one another. Why don`t you disconnect the battery overnight so that everything can reset in it`s own time and start taking readings again? OK, so i have been condemned before as the proper way is not my way and as you can see your pulling your hair out and frustrated as you can`t read what you want it to read .....you can see that you have problems with the sensors or wires so i just replace and job done with and move on......also it is cheaper fuel wise with a reliable motor again.
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So basically, the front sensor still seems fine. The heater element seems to work and the signal is good on LPG. Last edited by ww1dm1; Oct 25th, 2015 at 18:05. |
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