MY2016 - DriveE VEA engines across the range

[dme123]

I don't doubt that the VEA is absolutely state of the art, and it's doubtless quieter, more refined, capable of more power and better economy than the old 5 pot engines. I am just sad that it's going to be totally lacking in charisma or character like the 5 pot had in spades, it may indeed be an excellent 4 cylinder engine but when all is said and done it is just another 4 cylinder diesel.

Of course this is an industry trend, and a BMW 528i now comes with a boosted four pot where you used to find one of the best 6 cylinder engines in the industry so you can't blame Volvo for it. The Ford days with the V8 and new T6 / i6 suggest that if their hands were not tied by emissions and economy regulations worldwide they would love to have a more interesting engine range.

[st4]

Originally Posted by dme123

I'd agree. 4 pot diesels are absolutely dreadful things, it's amazing how much difference the one extra cylinder makes in the Volvo engines. It's not as nice as a straight/V6 but it's massively superior to the power delivery and refinement of a 4 pot.

I've got mixed feelings on petrol 4 cylinder engines. They rarely, if ever, sound nice but with a turbo they can be very effective and the refinement can be excellent with balance shafts and clever engine mounts and so on. To be honest the 5 cylinder petrol in my T5 doesn't stand out massively over a 4 pot turbo to anything like the same extend that the D5 stands out over a typical TDi 4 pot.

Still, a car like an S80 (or BMW 5 series...) with a 4 cylinder engine seems like all sizzle and no steak to me!

I agree, the extra cylinder above 4 in a diesel makes all the difference to NVH
With petrols less so, but it will improve the sound, note and character.

I can live with 4pot petrols, preferably flat 4 turbos but normal i4 turbo petrol will do.

My mate has a 520d, lovely car with a horrific engine that completely ruins it and makes the car dull. I've had a C220cdi and E220cdi and the engines ruined the car. Driving a D5 after the E220cdi was a revelation. I am so glad to be getting one. TBH it was as good as the V6 diesel merc.

[Marc01]

Originally Posted by dme123

I don't doubt that the VEA is absolutely state of the art, and it's doubtless quieter, more refined, capable of more power and better economy than the old 5 pot engines. I am just sad that it's going to be totally lacking in charisma or character like the 5 pot had in spades, it may indeed be an excellent 4 cylinder engine but when all is said and done it is just another 4 cylinder diesel.

Of course this is an industry trend, and a BMW 528i now comes with a boosted four pot where you used to find one of the best 6 cylinder engines in the industry so you can't blame Volvo for it. The Ford days with the V8 and new T6 / i6 suggest that if their hands were not tied by emissions and economy regulations worldwide they would love to have a more interesting engine range.

I am sad to at the lose do not get me wrong, like you have said you cannot blame Volvo for this it's the way the industry is going in general. The VEA D4 is a new generation.

When I started my hunt for a new car I did long for something a little more exciting the Golf R32 came to mind nothing beats the V6 growl, all the hot Golfs are now 4 pots.

[xco]

Why are Volvo discontinuing the D5 after all these years?
It's the only reason I have owned my 4 volvos (all D5), what is volvo's thinking behind scrapping it?

[volvorocks]

Originally Posted by xco

Why are Volvo discontinuing the D5 after all these years?
It's the only reason I have owned my 4 volvos (all D5), what is volvo's thinking behind scrapping it?

Due to our new eco outlook on the world!!

Regards

[xco]

Eco sucks

[wimorrison]

Originally Posted by xco

Why are Volvo discontinuing the D5 after all these years?
It's the only reason I have owned my 4 volvos (all D5), what is volvo's thinking behind scrapping it?

I wouldn't count on its demise yet

[xco]

I hope not also.
I dont fancy driving a 4 potter or an electric hybrid.
Perhaps if I hang on to my xc90 long enough it will comply with not having to pay road tax as a historic vehicle.

[st4]

Originally Posted by wimorrison

I wouldn't count on its demise yet

Not yet, but quite soon.

The flagship car, the XC90 is 4pot VEA engine only. Once the current XC90, S/V60 and new S90/V90 come out and built around a platform that can only take a 4pot.

4pot diesels offend me, the NVH characterstics make them just unpleasant but I can happily drive around in one of those new VEA petrol engines. The newer petrols are quite efficient and very quiet and smooth.

For the sake of a fiver a week that is what I will do once my new to me S80 5pot D3 is no longer with me.

[dme123]

Originally Posted by st4

Not yet, but quite soon.

The flagship car, the XC90 is 4pot VEA engine only. Once the current XC90, S/V60 and new S90/V90 come out and built around a platform that can only take a 4pot.

4pot diesels offend me, the NVH characterstics make them just unpleasant but I can happily drive around in one of those new VEA petrol engines. The newer petrols are quite efficient and very quiet and smooth.

For the sake of a fiver a week that is what I will do once my new to me S80 5pot D3 is no longer with me.

Same plan here. It looks like the days of diesel as the only sensible option may be drawing to a close across Europe over the next few years, and a four pot boosted turbo may not be exciting but it's not outright offensive like a 4 pot diesel!