New 2011 Volvo Specifications

[Daleman]

Originally Posted by jeffo

It really sounds like Volvo is commiting suicide in the UK.

Fortunatly I want an XC90 D5 anyway, but if I was after an XC60 I think I would walk away.

I agree they seem to have brought in the 2 litre D3 pointlessly to distance the two wheel drive spec from the four wheel drive D5 spec with the obviously more powerful engine .A marketing ploy that up spends customers who want power.

As it was with the 2.4 DrivE the customer was getting the best of both worlds and perhaps they think we cant have that!

Now with a load of orders for 2.4 drivEs in the pipeline they are going to shuffle people onto the feeble 2 litre D3 with no apparent economy gains ,crazy .What if you have paid a deposit and are expecting a 2.4 ?

Tough I reckon take it or leave it!

[ChrisE]

Originally Posted by Daleman

..............the feeble 2 litre D3........

This is not necessarily true. The D3 2.0 as fitted in the new S60 produces its full power at only 3000 rpm and its full torque at only 1380 rpm. At these revs it appears to produce more power & torque than the 2.4D that it replaces. It is only when you rev higher that the bigger engine apparantly gains. In a diesel you spend the vast majority of your time at lower revs.

Being shorter stroke the 2.0 D3 might also be a smoother more willing engine.

The only downsides that I can see are:

1. smaller engines produce less torque at very low revs before the turbo gets going but the very low revs for maximum torque suggests that this may not be a problem and

2. The bigger short term problem is that we all know & like the 2.4 litre engine & we are all a bit concerned about the 2 litre not being as good. Unfortunately there will not be one to try until ay least June which is too late for those with orders or thinking of ordering now.

After June we may be saying the 2.0 D3 is the better engine but at the moment we have no way of knowing. Uncertainy is most definitely frightening when spending £25000-£30000+ of your own money!

As an aside isn't it typical that the French & German catalogues are out but there is no sign of ours. Volvo UK seem to produce new lists quarterly which means 1st April - April fools day - & I guess that they might be sticking to that schedule.

[Teejay1]

Originally Posted by ChrisE

This is not necessarily true. The D3 2.0 as fitted in the new S60 produces its full power at only 3000 rpm and its full torque at only 1380 rpm. At these revs it appears to produce more power & torque than the 2.4D that it replaces. It is only when you rev higher that the bigger engine apparantly gains. In a diesel you spend the vast majority of your time at lower revs.

Being shorter stroke the 2.0 D3 might also be a smoother more willing engine.

The only downsides that I can see are:

1. smaller engines produce less torque at very low revs before the turbo gets going but the very low revs for maximum torque suggests that this may not be a problem and

2. The bigger short term problem is that we all know & like the 2.4 litre engine & we are all a bit concerned about the 2 litre not being as good. Unfortunately there will not be one to try until ay least June which is too late for those with orders or thinking of ordering now.

After June we may be saying the 2.0 D3 is the better engine but at the moment we have no way of knowing. Uncertainy is most definitely frightening when spending £25000-£30000+ of your own money!

As an aside isn't it typical that the French & German catalogues are out but there is no sign of ours. Volvo UK seem to produce new lists quarterly which means 1st April - April fools day - & I guess that they might be sticking to that schedule.

Hey, I like it, your glass is definitely half full, I only hope that you are correct

[NewVolvo]

Originally Posted by ChrisE

This is not necessarily true. The D3 2.0 as fitted in the new S60 produces its full power at only 3000 rpm and its full torque at only 1380 rpm. At these revs it appears to produce more power & torque than the 2.4D that it replaces. It is only when you rev higher that the bigger engine apparantly gains. In a diesel you spend the vast majority of your time at lower revs.

Being shorter stroke the 2.0 D3 might also be a smoother more willing engine.

The only downsides that I can see are:

1. smaller engines produce less torque at very low revs before the turbo gets going but the very low revs for maximum torque suggests that this may not be a problem and

2. The bigger short term problem is that we all know & like the 2.4 litre engine & we are all a bit concerned about the 2 litre not being as good. Unfortunately there will not be one to try until ay least June which is too late for those with orders or thinking of ordering now.

After June we may be saying the 2.0 D3 is the better engine but at the moment we have no way of knowing. Uncertainy is most definitely frightening when spending £25000-£30000+ of your own money!

As an aside isn't it typical that the French & German catalogues are out but there is no sign of ours. Volvo UK seem to produce new lists quarterly which means 1st April - April fools day - & I guess that they might be sticking to that schedule.

I couldn't agree any more and I don't think the new D3 2.0 5 cyl will be a bad engine. I think the problem is that peoples perception is at fault. A 2 litre engine sounds way to small in such a big heavy car like the XC60.

Personally, I would have liked a 3 litre diesel (pref the 3.0 from ex brother Jaguar), but as Volvo (still) does not make or sell one, a 2.4 with 5 cyl will have to do (or look elsewhere) for now.

[155mph]

Isn't the similar-sized and close rival Q5 powered by a 2.0 engine?

[Teejay1]

Originally Posted by NewVolvo

I couldn't agree any more and I don't think the new D3 2.0 5 cyl will be a bad engine. I think the problem is that peoples perception is at fault. A 2 litre engine sounds way to small in such a big heavy car like the XC60.

Personally, I would have liked a 3 litre diesel (pref the 3.0 from ex brother Jaguar), but as Volvo (still) does not make or sell one, a 2.4 with 5 cyl will have to do (or look elsewhere) for now.

So are you saying that you think its going to be a good engine?

[Daleman]

Originally Posted by ChrisE

This is not necessarily true. The D3 2.0 as fitted in the new S60 produces its full power at only 3000 rpm and its full torque at only 1380 rpm. At these revs it appears to produce more power & torque than the 2.4D that it replaces. It is only when you rev higher that the bigger engine apparantly gains. In a diesel you spend the vast majority of your time at lower revs.

Being shorter stroke the 2.0 D3 might also be a smoother more willing engine.

The only downsides that I can see are:

1. smaller engines produce less torque at very low revs before the turbo gets going but the very low revs for maximum torque suggests that this may not be a problem and

2. The bigger short term problem is that we all know & like the 2.4 litre engine & we are all a bit concerned about the 2 litre not being as good. Unfortunately there will not be one to try until ay least June which is too late for those with orders or thinking of ordering now.

After June we may be saying the 2.0 D3 is the better engine but at the moment we have no way of knowing. Uncertainy is most definitely frightening when spending £25000-£30000+ of your own money!

As an aside isn't it typical that the French & German catalogues are out but there is no sign of ours. Volvo UK seem to produce new lists quarterly which means 1st April - April fools day - & I guess that they might be sticking to that schedule.

I do hope your right and the new 2 litre D3 is a belter of an engine and acclaimed by the motoring press and owners alike as such.

[NewVolvo]

Originally Posted by Teejay1

So are you saying that you think its going to be a good engine?

What I was trying to say was that I don't think it would be right to only look at the 2 litre thing until we know for sure how it will do in tests etc.

As pointed out before, the torque comes in really early (obviously a great point for towing) so Yes, I do think it could be alot better than we all think.

I also think the "new" T6 will be a blast!

[XC60nick]

I'd certainly be very interested in a 3.0 tdi v6 engine, but the trend nowadays is less is more so not holding my breathe....

I have been looking at the videos on the volvo website that shows off the new s60 pedestrian detection, any word on this being brought across onto the xc60? seems strange that our cars stop for other cars but not for two dummies walking their plastic dogs...

Also i really want the new my2011 cars to have the central screen display like the s60, i'm not a fan of the seperate 'pod' screen on top of the dash, with a single screen, it would be more like my old Q7. Anyone know how you navigate the menus on the s60? is it a wheel / button like in Audi / BMWs or maybe the wheel mounted 'joystick' that does for the current satnav?

[XC60nick]

Regards to the Q5 2.0tdi, it appears to be only 143bhp, seems a little on the low side, although they do also put their 3.0tdi in the Q5, bet that goes well with its 240bhp. I do not know, but my perception is the Q5 is a smaller car than the xc60?