ECU Remapping - for an 850 T5 - what options?

[itguy]

Does anyone have any video of a MTE mapped (and otherwise standard) 850 T5?

Would be interested to see roughly what kind of 'visual' speed increase is attained. This is unless there is someone in Leicestershire who can show me their MTE mapped car

[ovlov25]

This is all i can find on youtube. A Rica car.

+ YouTube Video

A properly setup camera and some decent vids would be good.

I ain't gonna risk my licence tho...

[John_C]

ovlov25 that makes sense ref the car needing work before it was mapped, there is definitely something wrong there.

As for the video of the RICA'd car, why the hell do people risk their lives and other peoples lives to record videos like that, bloody morons. That said it doesn't look quite right to me. It could just be differences between cars I guess but it seems too slow to put the speed on and the boost gauge doesn't seem high enough although that could just be a variation in the gauges between cars as they are notoriously variable.

Edit: Ahhhh, just seen the heading on the film, that's a RICA 280 (so god knows what the power actually is, 240, 250?) on an auto car so that could be right for that combination and no point in comparing it with my car as that's a 304'd manual.

Cheers,
John

[Nuisance]

Originally Posted by itguy

If that's the case, is anything more known about the MTE map - like does it retain the knock sensing and overboost protection etc? (Albeit raised threshold on the overboost I would assume). Do they remap all cellsites in the map or just the higher boost ones and do they remap the ignition too or leave that to the knock sensors?

Also - what boost pressure does the MTE run?

Anyone got any views on fuel consumption MTE vs Stock, if not driven flat out all the time (where obviously it would be worse).

98 ron fuel I presume also for the MTE - as it will be raising the boost pressure....

I think the comments that many people have made on my car really sum it up.

The common quote is that it doesn't run like a re-mapped car, it runs like a standard car, but just MORE! it retains all the refinement of the car, but becomes seriously quick.

It's well known that MTE are altering and fine tuning many more perameters than the competiton. I'm told well over 100 values have been altered on later cars, as opposed to low tens on most other re-maps.

No, it doesn't rely on the knock sensors to "tune" the car, that's what the bodgers do. Mine is pushing 1.6 bar (24 psi) of boost on a standard engine, and reaching almost 500Nm of torque, when it was on the dyno det cans were used and no knock was found under full boost, if it was using the knock sensors you would hear the onset of knock. AFR's and EGT's are also kept well in check.

I have larger injectors on mine and the map was trimmed to take that into account, Even the trip computer was altered to compensate for the higher flow vs duty cycle, so my MPG would be correct.

There is no doubt that the MTE is far and away the better quality product. It really has been tuned into a very refined, driveable product. It is of similar quality to what a contracted tuning house would achieve for a manufacturers premium product, not what a "chipper" would do.

At the end of the day, you have to decide between the cheapest product, biggest power figure, or best engineered product.

[itguy]

Originally Posted by Nuisance

I think the comments that many people have made on my car really sum it up.

The common quote is that it doesn't run like a re-mapped car, it runs like a standard car, but just MORE! it retains all the refinement of the car, but becomes seriously quick.

It's well known that MTE are altering and fine tuning many more perameters than the competiton. I'm told well over 100 values have been altered on later cars, as opposed to low tens on most other re-maps.

No, it doesn't rely on the knock sensors to "tune" the car, that's what the bodgers do. Mine is pushing 1.6 bar (24 psi) of boost on a standard engine, and reaching almost 500Nm of torque, when it was on the dyno det cans were used and no knock was found under full boost, if it was using the knock sensors you would hear the onset of knock. AFR's and EGT's are also kept well in check.

I have larger injectors on mine and the map was trimmed to take that into account, Even the trip computer was altered to compensate for the higher flow vs duty cycle, so my MPG would be correct.

There is no doubt that the MTE is far and away the better quality product. It really has been tuned into a very refined, driveable product. It is of similar quality to what a contracted tuning house would achieve for a manufacturers premium product, not what a "chipper" would do.

At the end of the day, you have to decide between the cheapest product, biggest power figure, or best engineered product.

Very informative, thank you.

My car is standard apart from an MBC at the moment and although my front tyres are bald, I just can't get the damn power down even now as the MBC doesn't 'feed' it in at all - just whack and it's there.

From what I've heard I'll be going for MTE as it gives a smoother power delivery and a nice comfortable drive - after all, the wife and dog go in the car with me and I don't want sick in the passenger seat or the dog thrown to the back of the car whenever I accelerate!

Coming from a background of tuning my own westfield zetec megasquirt using a wideband lambda kit, (still have the innovate kit at home) I'm heartned to hear the fact that MTE map lots of cell sites and values, it sounds like they've done 'the proper job'.

I take it the MTE map is still reasonably cautious? The last thing I want to do is go melting / bending anything as the car is my daily driver

[ovlov25]

A T5 is too complex/expensive to try and tune on the cheap unless you know exactly what your doing.

I'll be finding out this weekend what mine is running and i'll go back to standard immediately if i have any doubts over the mapping

Just for my peace of mind i'll probably invest in a MTE which i know will be tailored to the car. I would happily have a Rica but the MTE sounds a little more progressive which i would prefer.

[stusT5]

Originally Posted by itguy

Very informative, thank you.

My car is standard apart from an MBC at the moment and although my front tyres are bald, I just can't get the damn power down even now as the MBC doesn't 'feed' it in at all - just whack and it's there.

From what I've heard I'll be going for MTE as it gives a smoother power delivery and a nice comfortable drive - after all, the wife and dog go in the car with me and I don't want sick in the passenger seat or the dog thrown to the back of the car whenever I accelerate!

Coming from a background of tuning my own westfield zetec megasquirt using a wideband lambda kit, (still have the innovate kit at home) I'm heartned to hear the fact that MTE map lots of cell sites and values, it sounds like they've done 'the proper job'.

I take it the MTE map is still reasonably cautious? The last thing I want to do is go melting / bending anything as the car is my daily driver

The guy that tunes the mte software is from sweden and so i belive does a hell of a lot of work on volvos (don would know more) you won't have a worry bending anything as he is well aware of the cars standard ability

[Nunchukhamster]

Originally Posted by stusT5

The guy that tunes the mte software is from sweden and so i belive does a hell of a lot of work on volvos (don would know more) you won't have a worry bending anything as he is well aware of the cars standard ability

Yep, that would be Marco.

Don distirbutes the product for him in this country, and also arranges the appointments for when Marco comes over for those who want their maps customised. The initial map from Don is in effect "of-the-shelf" but of very high quality. Marco can then tailor it to a specific individuals requirements, e.g. to make best use of any additional modifications.

[ovlov25]

That kind of service and attention to detail alone has me sold on the MTE

Just got to sort my current issues. Ho Hum, looks like a Saturday will be spent under the bonnet changing boost pipes.

[Nuisance]

If you want it fine tuning by Marco once it's fitted it's very easy to do, and suprisingly affordable. Something neither RICA nor BSR offer. The customising is done very well indeed, you will have the opportunity to have your own input too which is something none of the others are offering.

I was very impressed with the service.