D5 2.4 Diesel Geartronic - JUDDER IN REVERSE ?!?!?!?

[tem]

Originally Posted by RoyMacDonald

Did you find out what Volvo consider arduous driving conditions? I did and Volvo say if you only accelerate gently to about 50 mph and then cruise at that speed for long journeys without stop start driving conditions, then decelerate and stop, then you don't need to change your ATF at 48,000 miles. Any other use is classed as arduous conditions. Hence I say in the UK the ATF should always be changed at 48,000 miles.

As for your main dealers comments I'd say go to a good independant.

All the best.

Roy

Roy,

Service intervals are now 18000 miles/year and there is no place in the Service Log book for a 48000 mile visit.

My last XC90 had a sticker on the windscreen saying, Service Due at 54000 miles/June 2009.

Found this:-

"Check automatic transmission fluid only if an external leak is identified. Volvo recommends
changing automatic transmission fluid at 52,500 miles, only on vehicles used for towing, or when
a message displays in the Instrument Panel Text Window.
Source: 2006 Volvo Warranty and Service Records Information, Version WTY570.05.05
Rev.05/05."

tem.

[RoyMacDonald]

Originally Posted by tem

Roy,

Service intervals are now 18000 miles/year and there is no place in the Service Log book for a 48000 mile visit.

My last XC90 had a sticker on the windscreen saying, Service Due at 54000 miles/June 2009.

Found this:-

"Check automatic transmission fluid only if an external leak is identified. Volvo recommends
changing automatic transmission fluid at 52,500 miles, only on vehicles used for towing, or when
a message displays in the Instrument Panel Text Window.
Source: 2006 Volvo Warranty and Service Records Information, Version WTY570.05.05
Rev.05/05."

tem.

Hi tem. I'm quoting 2003 model info of course. Finbo has a 2004 so it should apply to him.

Whether Volvo made changes to the autobox for 2006 I don't know, but given that Saab use the same autobox and they recommend 40,000 mile oil changes and their boxes are regarded as being more reliable, I'd stick with the 48,000 mile oil changes, given the driving conditions we experience in the UK. After all it's not a big job in cost or time in relation to the cost of replacing the box.

Edit: The milage place in the service book isn't relevant, as it's also time limited, 4 years, and there will be a 4 year place I'm sure, or I really am out of touch. ;-)

All the best.

Roy

[tem]

Originally Posted by RoyMacDonald

Hi tem. I'm quoting 2003 model info of course. Finbo has a 2004 so it should apply to him.

Whether Volvo made changes to the autobox for 2006 I don't know, but given that Saab use the same autobox and they recommend 40,000 mile oil changes and their boxes are regarded as being more reliable, I'd stick with the 48,000 mile oil changes, given the driving conditions we experience in the UK. After all it's not a big job in cost or time in relation to the cost of replacing the box.

Edit: The milage place in the service book isn't relevant, as it's also time limited, 4 years, and there will be a 4 year place I'm sure, or I really am out of touch. ;-)

All the best.

Roy

Yes,
For the models that require servicing every 12000 miles/year, you are correct.

My mistake. Still confused by Volvo's statement, that the oil does not need to be changed, unless towing?

tem.

[RoyMacDonald]

Originally Posted by tem

Yes,
For the models that require servicing every 12000 miles/year, you are correct.

My mistake. Still confused by Volvo's statement, that the oil does not need to be changed, unless towing?

tem.

I think that Volvo's service info can be misleading as it's often not county specific and most of America's driving conditions are going to be very different to the UK for instance. It seems a general trend to reduce servicing on their models year on year as well. I can understand why with engine oil but not so sure about some of their other components. If one manufacture does it though I guess Volvo have to follow suit to avoid appearing to be left behind.

My experience with main dealer service on the autobox on my 940 TD was appalling. After 125,000 miles with increasing gearchange problems and lots of requests to the dealer to sort it out. ("It needs a new torque converter", "it's an old car") I had said that my fault finding chart indicated that it was the kickdown cable. I took it to an indi who found it had never had the kickdown cable adjusted and it was 25mm out of adjustment and fixed it free of charge. So I have a biased veiw of main dealers advice on autoboxes I'm afraid.

All the best.

Roy

[Finbo]

Any idea how much Volvo are quoting for the cost of a full flush ATF change?

I presume they're happy if you take you're own ATF (J3309 spec or Amsoil) as they are with engine oil?

The reason I say 'full flush' is I know that one independent I spoke to a year or two ago said he could only replace what's initially drained out because he didn't have the right machine to fully flush the system.

Cheers,

Finbo

[Rockhopper]

A lot I would imagine...

Can you change your own oil? OK with DIY? Then why not consider changing the ATF yourself? Take a look here at the now famous 'Gibbons' method:

I'm working up to doing it myself (52k on clock ATF brown in colour), I just can't decide which oil to get - Amsoil or Saab 3309. Quite big difference in price.

[Finbo]

Unfortunately I'm pretty useless when it comes to DIY. I would be afraid that I'd make a mistake which could cost more in the long run. I suppose it depends on the cost. Ideally I could do with someone who's handy with a spanner and I could assist!

[RoyMacDonald]

Originally Posted by Finbo

Any idea how much Volvo are quoting for the cost of a full flush ATF change?

I presume they're happy if you take you're own ATF (J3309 spec or Amsoil) as they are with engine oil?

The reason I say 'full flush' is I know that one independent I spoke to a year or two ago said he could only replace what's initially drained out because he didn't have the right machine to fully flush the system.

Cheers,

Finbo

My indi Volvo specialist charged £59 + vat (He followed the Vardis instructions to the letter) The Amsoil was about £80.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall Volvo's Vardis instructions for the XC90 fluid change saying anything about a machine being needed.

Edit: My indi did insist on researching the Amsoil first to make sure it was OK as he wasn't going to use it unless he thought is was suitable.

Roy

[Finbo]

That seems very good value indeed.

I know someone who used an indy (a little way from me, unfortunately) for a 'full flush' via a machine/some piece of equipment on his V70 and that cost around £170 with approx 8 litres of Volvo fluid. A main dealer will be a lot more, no doubt. I think a lot depends on the amount of ATF used, as I've read some reports on this forum of people using up to 13 litres for a 'full flush'.


One indy in Bristol said he can't do a 'full flush' only a drain and refill (so, not everything comes out) because he didn't have the right machine/piece of equipment.

I don't know if this is correct and the right equipment - just passing on what I've heard.

Cheers,

Finbo

[Rockhopper]

Originally Posted by RoyMacDonald

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall Volvo's Vardis instructions for the XC90 fluid change saying anything about a machine being needed.

Correct as of VADIS info Nov 04:
- method uses no machine, just the hose & pump method, but actually uses the existing return hose disconnected from the control system cover (this is tricky to get to, so just leaving it and using secondary hose into cooler seems easier).

Interesting what VADIS says about when the fluid should be changed re. TCM codes appearing....!