V70: Engine V70 T6 281hp advice

[dme123]

OP - if you're not speed fiend but want something smoother and quieter than a D5 then consider the 3.2 NASP I6. It's got 240 bhp, it's beautifully smooth and refined with a nice edge to it higher up in the rev range. It was the standard engine for the S80 and V70 for parts of the world that haven't been strongarmed by their governments into using the dirty black pump.

You avoid the weight and bork potential of the AWD system too. This is listed as an SE but it has leather heated seats, the Dynaudio Premium Audio, and RTI nav. Mileage is low and the MOT history is excellent, it looks like it could be a cracking car for £7k, from a Volvo dealer too. These are not popular cars with a petrol engine so I bet you could squeeze them down a bit on that price.

http://tinyurl.com/gw42y75

IMHO the 280bhp T6 is barely bothering with. The performance simply isn't there to justify the fuel economy. The later 300bhp version is noticeably quicker and Polestar will take it to 320 - 330bhp at which point it starts to justify it's thirst. In any case they lack the raw edge that the earlier HPT T5 engines had, although they make for superb sleepers!

[st4]

Originally Posted by dme123

OP - if you're not speed fiend but want something smoother and quieter than a D5 then consider the 3.2 NASP I6. It's got 240 bhp, it's beautifully smooth and refined with a nice edge to it higher up in the rev range. It was the standard engine for the S80 and V70 for parts of the world that haven't been strongarmed by their governments into using the dirty black pump.

You avoid the weight and bork potential of the AWD system too. This is listed as an SE but it has leather heated seats, the Dynaudio Premium Audio, and RTI nav. Mileage is low and the MOT history is excellent, it looks like it could be a cracking car for £7k, from a Volvo dealer too. These are not popular cars with a petrol engine so I bet you could squeeze them down a bit on that price.

http://tinyurl.com/gw42y75

IMHO the 280bhp T6 is barely bothering with. The performance simply isn't there to justify the fuel economy. The later 300bhp version is noticeably quicker and Polestar will take it to 320 - 330bhp at which point it starts to justify it's thirst. In any case they lack the raw edge that the earlier HPT T5 engines had, although they make for superb sleepers!

What a fantastic car. £8k from a dealer.

Does much go wrong on these 3.2s. Might make a good car for a friend of mine

[dme123]

Originally Posted by st4

What a fantastic car. £8k from a dealer.

Does much go wrong on these 3.2s. Might make a good car for a friend of mine

I truthfully do not know, they have some unique characteristics around the packaging that means you'd need to go to a Volvo specialist or dealer for any work on engine ancillaries I suspect. I've seen some for sale with big miles on them though. That really does look like a smashing car, a much better bet than a £7k D5 - it's not £8k like you said!

[Backpedal]

Originally Posted by dme123

I truthfully do not know, they have some unique characteristics around the packaging that means you'd need to go to a Volvo specialist or dealer for any work on engine ancillaries I suspect. I've seen some for sale with big miles on them though. That really does look like a smashing car, a much better bet than a £7k D5 - it's not £8k like you said!

I've been in touch with the dealer – offering a deal with my D5.

What do you mean 'unique characteristics around the packaging'?

[Sasha94]

Looks a nice machine but I'm not sure it really is a better deal than a D5. The trade in value of that car is £4200, a similar D5 with 100,000 miles to compensate for the increased use a diesel usually sees is £5500. That's a big difference, add to that nearly twice the annual rfl, twice the cost of regular servicing and the non existent market for large petrol cars and it's hardly the deal of the century. I think it's overpriced personally so you'd hope they have a good margin in it to cut you a deal as they won't falling over themselves to sell it. My 57 reg XC70 books at £4250 with 156,500 miles on the clock but retails at £6100 apparently. Give me £5k and its yours!!

Don't get me wrong, if you like the car then great, it looks a nice car (apart from those hideous wheels, ugliest wheels for a P3 those IMO) but there's no way to sell it as a better deal than a D5; it simply can't be when there are 40 diesels to chose over every 1 petrol P3 V70 for sale right now, the stats dictate there will be a better deal out there somewhere.

On the plus the 3.2 does seem to be a reliable motor though the lack of them over here means we may not be hearing about all the common faults. Maybe have a peek on American Volvo forums where the 3.2 will be more common to have a look for any buying advice??

Don't take this the wrong way, if my mileage was lower I'd happily have a T6 but to say that car is a good deal at £7k I'm not so sure. A good discount with a decent p/x and I'd say it's better, bear in mind it has no tax these days so it's instantly £7500 if you buy 12 months tax or £44 per month on dd compared to my D5's £25.

Good luck with it though, if you get a good deal and the car is right then go for it

[Backpedal]

Originally Posted by Sasha94

Looks a nice machine but I'm not sure it really is a better deal than a D5. The trade in value of that car is £4200, a similar D5 with 100,000 miles to compensate for the increased use a diesel usually sees is £5500. That's a big difference, add to that nearly twice the annual rfl, twice the cost of regular servicing and the non existent market for large petrol cars and it's hardly the deal of the century. I think it's overpriced personally so you'd hope they have a good margin in it to cut you a deal as they won't falling over themselves to sell it. My 57 reg XC70 books at £4250 with 156,500 miles on the clock but retails at £6100 apparently. Give me £5k and its yours!!

Don't get me wrong, if you like the car then great, it looks a nice car (apart from those hideous wheels, ugliest wheels for a P3 those IMO) but there's no way to sell it as a better deal than a D5; it simply can't be when there are 40 diesels to chose over every 1 petrol P3 V70 for sale right now, the stats dictate there will be a better deal out there somewhere.

On the plus the 3.2 does seem to be a reliable motor though the lack of them over here means we may not be hearing about all the common faults. Maybe have a peek on American Volvo forums where the 3.2 will be more common to have a look for any buying advice??

Don't take this the wrong way, if my mileage was lower I'd happily have a T6 but to say that car is a good deal at £7k I'm not so sure. A good discount with a decent p/x and I'd say it's better, bear in mind it has no tax these days so it's instantly £7500 if you buy 12 months tax or £44 per month on dd compared to my D5's £25.

Good luck with it though, if you get a good deal and the car is right then go for it

Ha, god damn you Sasha you're the voice of reason.

Depending on their deal, I'd say you've talked me out of that one.

Ha! (which way to go...?!)

[Munro83]

Go for a d5 mate, great economy with performance. If your not too fussed about speed etc then the d5 is perfect. I've got the 2.4d 175bhp manual version, and to be honest it ticks all the boxes. It's certainly not slow. I'm glad I got this over a d5 as I'm getting way over 45mpg on a run. With the torque it feels plenty quick and is no slouch over taking.
I do regret not getting a later p2 t5 though in either v70 or S60!

[st4]

Originally Posted by Backpedal

I've been in touch with the dealer – offering a deal with my D5.

What do you mean 'unique characteristics around the packaging'?

Tranversely mounted straight six. I imagine it is quite tight in that engine bay. Typically a large engine will be mounted longitudinally.

This thread has more info on them

http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=142371

Googling them reveals a pretty vice free car. I'd happily go for it. Straight six natural aspirated engine. Lovely.

[dme123]

The engine packaging I referred to is the way the alternator, PAS pump and other ancilliaries are not mounted at the rear of the engine but at the front, over the gearbox and in the case of the alternator on the side of the engine driven by a geared takeoff from the crankshaft. It's very creative.

I have to disagree about the value, as you've said yourself £7k will get you a 100,000 mile D5 which has 55bhp less and (fabulously reliable though the D5 engine is) decidedly iffy refinement. While the engine will be fine at 100k the bushes and dampers will not be and will be due for replacement unless you like a soggy feeling car, and if the gearbox oil has never been done then it is that much closer to death.

Yes it'll be an absolute swine to move on, but then if you are planning to keep the car a while then any P3 V70 is going to be worth sod all when you shift it on - we're talking a grand either way. The RFL is an extra £20 a month, if that's a big deal for you in the running costs of a car then take it into account.

For my money it's a much nicer proposition than a leggy £7k D5.

[Sasha94]

I see where you're coming from but I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this. You can get a 70k D5 for the £8k mark, I found plenty so there's not much in it on miles, I chose 100k to be fair to the D5; if you took a 70k mile D5 on an 08 plate trade in value makes it £5800, a big difference. I think the diesel's will always have a value over the petrol and just the saying £500 tax puts everyone off, £295 just looks a lot cheaper even though it might not be.

I would happily accept £5k for my car and that would make it probably the cheapest P3 XC70 on sale that isn't an ex RRV one but that's me being realistic I think. So if you want a 2008 XC70 with all the toys you were after op, you can buy mine for £5k it does have over 156,000 miles though but I could change that number if it bothers you (Not really, I've never clocked a car I swear!!)