Cost per mile petrol v electric (fuel only)

[pjm84]

Thankfully I dont have to pay the bills. I've never come across demand charges but aware of reserving capacity in the grid for new developments.

Cant see demand charges kicking for residential as you're limited typically to a single phase 100amp supply. Similary there is quite a bit of diversity to contend with

[SnineT]

Keep an eye out for deals, the providers are beginning to cater for EV tariffs now, you'll have to have a smart meter but up til now as far as I know only Octopus were offering an EV tariff.

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by pjm84

Thankfully I dont have to pay the bills. I've never come across demand charges but aware of reserving capacity in the grid for new developments.

Cant see demand charges kicking for residential as you're limited typically to a single phase 100amp supply. Similary there is quite a bit of diversity to contend with

Surely it's simpler for residential ? 0-4Kw, 20p per unit, 4-8kw, 30p etc.?

[volvo always]

Electric car would suite my use.

Negatives for me the initial car purchase,

All chargers should be universal to fit all makes of vehicle.

On watching various videos online, a major issue in finding a charger that works and suitable for your make of car. Should make the chargers universal. Then really need the vehicle to have a fast-charging capability.

Lack of chargers.

In my area no charging available as rural.

For me my 7 year old Toyota Auris serves me well. It makes sense. Benefit of the hybrid technology and ease of re-fuelling. Pre April 2017 so free road tax.

James.

[SnineT]

Another tip for potential EV owners is check how fast the car is able to charge, the salesman will tell you about the high speed chargers but he may neglect to inform you your car is locked to 3.6kwh charging which takes a long time to charge a cell pack.

[pjm84]

I'm only aware of 1 EV in todays market that charges at 16amp. That's the AMI Quadcycle. But as the battery is 5.5kw it only takes a short time to top up.

My BMW charges at 16amp but it does have a silky smooth straight 6.

So producing an EV of say 62kw and charging at 3.6kwh is akin to have a 10gallon fuel tank and a thimble to fill it up with. Not very clever.

[pjm84]

Originally Posted by Tannaton

Surely it's simpler for residential ? 0-4Kw, 20p per unit, 4-8kw, 30p etc.?

Its not exactly a demand is it. I can understand a demand charge, as well as reserving capacity that you may or may not use.

Possible a standing charge would be more suitable. Opps we already have that.

[pjm84]

Originally Posted by SnineT

Keep an eye out for deals, the providers are beginning to cater for EV tariffs now, you'll have to have a smart meter but up til now as far as I know only Octopus were offering an EV tariff.

Yep I pay 7.5p a kwh on an EV tarrif. 4hour window from 00.30 to 04.30. Also top my batteries up at the same time. Car takes between 14 and 22kwh for between 30 and 50miles - cost is £1.05 to £1.65 (Its a big PHEV). Car charges at 16amp so I take the additional requirement from the battery via a smart charger. The batteries then charge back up during the day from PVs, provides the evening use, and it starts again.

[SnineT]

Originally Posted by pjm84

Yep I pay 7.5p a kwh on an EV tarrif. 4hour window from 00.30 to 04.30. Also top my batteries up at the same time. Car takes between 14 and 22kwh for between 30 and 50miles - cost is £1.05 to £1.65 (Its a big PHEV). Car charges at 16amp so I take the additional requirement from the battery via a smart charger. The batteries then charge back up during the day from PVs, provides the evening use, and it starts again.

The one that went past my nose was Eon launching a 12.00 - 6.30 am tariff there wasn't any pricing yet as they've not launched it yet.


On the charge rate I can't remember off the top of my head but it might be one of the Skoda plug in hybrids that is limited to a slow charge, could even be the early Enyaq's but it's a while ago since I saw the piece on it.

[Forg]

Originally Posted by The Thong

The ultimate question will be how the government taxes us once EV’s are the dominant vehicle on the U.K. roads. I’m sure it won’t be to our advantage that’s for sure. Pence per Mile charging maybe? Or through the Grid, it’ll be interesting to see how the Government are going to implement it.

Down Under, where a lot of the early-adopters who've bought EV's are charging them using the solar cells they already had, state governments have started implementing EV usage charges to recoup money they'd otherwise have made on fuel taxes for those cars. I believe Victoria is doing it based on the mileage info you need to give the government when registering the car on a yearly basis; it's been stated that some might cheat the system by lying every year, but it'll eventually catch-up with them if they ever sell the car.