Problem with LPG conversion from Classicswede, advice please

[TomW]

Why should we all be forced to go out and buy ourselves a certificate of competence in our chosen trade? As for saying we should be a member of the club so we can change things within, I disagree. We have been a member of the EU for god knows how long and no matter how much we try to change it we have found to our cost we can't.

[KBB]

Subaqua,

A bit off topic but within the Auto industry the are some powerful lobbying about DIY mechanics. Similar to Gas and Electric people are working on critical braking systems, suspension, steering, SRS and electrics with no formal qualifications. One such suggestion is that a vehicle presented for MOT will have to show that it has been serviced by a registered garage in accordance with manufacturer specifications be it main dealer or Independent held on a data base via its VIN so any repairs can be looked at during the MOT and to confirm servicing has been completed at the milage/time stated.

A number of police Forces Traffic Divisions are in support of such proposals. As a large number of cars involved in fatal accidents have no detailed record of regular servicing especially the older vehicles. One variation of the proposal includes that spare parts may only be sold to registered repair centers.

[migrator]

Originally Posted by KBB

Subaqua,

A bit off topic but within the Auto industry the are some powerful lobbying about DIY mechanics. Similar to Gas and Electric people are working on critical braking systems, suspension, steering, SRS and electrics with no formal qualifications. One such suggestion is that a vehicle presented for MOT will have to show that it has been serviced by a registered garage in accordance with manufacturer specifications be it main dealer or Independent held on a data base via its VIN so any repairs can be looked at during the MOT and to confirm servicing has been completed at the milage/time stated.

A number of police Forces Traffic Divisions are in support of such proposals. As a large number of cars involved in fatal accidents have no detailed record of regular servicing especially the older vehicles. One variation of the proposal includes that spare parts may only be sold to registered repair centers.

A vehicle presented for MOT with such certification and accreditation would naturally render the MOT superfluous. Was not the MOT brought in just to catch those vehicles that were not properly serviced and maintained?

[KBB]

No the MOT is a road worthiness test and dose not require an inspection of a vehicles service history.

[DC850]

Originally Posted by KBB

No the MOT is a road worthiness test and dose not require an inspection of a vehicles service history.

You said yourself MOT is road worthiness and there for fit for the road.

[Chris_C]

Laying aside the LPG install completely here, the day we have a forum of car enthusiasts suggesting that they should no longer work on their own cars to the level they are comfortable doing is a very very sad day indeed.

[mollusk]

And don't even think about stamp collecting as an alternative.

Old stamps licked by nasty dangerous humans - think of all the horrible diseases that might lurk.
To ensure our safety it will be necessary for used stamps to be handled by properly qualified and certified personnel wearing appropriate bio-hazard suits - and naturally the stamps and albums should be worked on in fume cabinets fitted with the necessary nano filters.

Stamps are dangerous, stamp collectors are dangerous - they must be regulated.!

Mollusk.

[migrator]

"Stamps are dangerous, stamp collectors are dangerous - they must be regulated.!"

Or just stamped out.

[classicswede]

Originally Posted by subaqua

1) why does Dai not want to be a member of one of the UK authorities-
If he has vast experience why not join to pass on that experience, you can't change something from the outside looking in . you need to be on the inside to start change.

2) why Quote the rules of an organisation/authority you don't agree with

3) anybody can have 1 or 2 bad jobs, but if you value your reputation then you get the problem sorted at your cost then deal with the financial later, unless you have something to hide.

the small claims courts are a great recourse and work well IMO.

1) they are not an authority and at the moment the only trade group. For many years the very worst conversions were being done by their members. There has also been a lot of dodgy hand shakes

2) I have no problems with COP11, I can see how it can be seen as a bit hypocritical working to the code or a organisation I am not a member of or agree with how it is run.

3) Agree with you there, as you will have seen on this thread and any others here that the problems have been sorted as far as possible.

Originally Posted by KBB

Subaqua,

A bit off topic but within the Auto industry the are some powerful lobbying about DIY mechanics. Similar to Gas and Electric people are working on critical braking systems, suspension, steering, SRS and electrics with no formal qualifications. One such suggestion is that a vehicle presented for MOT will have to show that it has been serviced by a registered garage in accordance with manufacturer specifications be it main dealer or Independent held on a data base via its VIN so any repairs can be looked at during the MOT and to confirm servicing has been completed at the milage/time stated.

A number of police Forces Traffic Divisions are in support of such proposals. As a large number of cars involved in fatal accidents have no detailed record of regular servicing especially the older vehicles. One variation of the proposal includes that spare parts may only be sold to registered repair centers.

That would be another poor mans tax and have so many negative impacts.

Older cars will be in for real problems as most are owner maintained as there are so few garages competent to work on them. Give a garage a simple car like a 240 and they have no idea where to start. Give them something with a carb and they are totally lost.

If it is not legal to sell car parts to the public parts will be sold via the back door and loose most of the consumer rights. One way would be to sell parts for motorsport use and they would then have no warranty and already poor quality standards would drop.

There are so many things wrong with the idea its not worth imagining.

[classicswede]

Thread Update

Rob is now going to bring the car back or at least that is the plan. His local garage are absolutely clueless. Rather than replacing the metering plate they have been saying the problem is with the fuel system wiring! They just had no idea at all how the K jet system works. They have made a number of silly mistakes and just do not seem to care imo.

They are new telling him that the car will not start at all despite the fact it went in running on LPG! We need to get the car back to how it was before the garage started messing with it so that Rob can come back and have the backfire damage sorted.