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700/900 Series General Forum for the Volvo 740, 760, 780, 940, 960 & S/V90 cars |
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Jul 22nd, 2020, 13:40 | #41 | |
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Greener Hydrogen is made using electricity but the processes are inefficienct. For 100kWh of Electricity from Hydrogen, you have to put in 300kWh of electricity. A battery is more lile 110kWh. As for Teslas VPP, I think it really depends who they get to manage it. Elon is pretty altruistic, but the sale/service problems demonstrated by Rich Rebuilds is pretty typical of the car industry so I expect they have someone from the traditional industry and they have filled Elons head full of risk and brand damage from inexperienced repair shops, if indeed he really knows what is happening. Gov't are trying to counter it and it was interesting to hear his state has a right to repair law. EU has a number of similar anti-competitive practice prevention laws and bringing in more to encourage longer product life. Anyway for VPP its unlikely Tesla will have much competition for the next 10yrs, they will sell cheap cars with a battery contract that you have to use their software/chargers or it will be built into the car. Legcay makers have to catchup on battery supply, VPP is not even thought about by them, they don't kow what it is. But all this stuff has yet to evolve. |
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Jul 22nd, 2020, 13:58 | #42 | |
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I'm not sure how the auto industry works, but the consumer side works as current placing on the market share, pays the same share for current/recent recycling. Of course it relies on voluntary (but mandatory) reporting of placing on the market, but as with most regulations noone is policing it, either reporting or councills polcing consumer putting batteries in the bin, alot of small stuff goes into landfil illegally. Vehicle waste is dealt with under a different directive for some reason, but at least much less likely to go into lanfill accidentally. |
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I don't know why Volvo set the lock up speed so high! Or overdrive come to that!
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Jul 24th, 2020, 11:48 | #46 | |
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The diesel problem was legacy car company bosses who don't really know or care about the difficulty of making diesel clean, and gov't types who don't know how to handle companies and think they are prioritising the economy. Car companies made promises they couldn't keep but made a ton of cash in the process, except now they are paying the price in fines and loss of business due to lack of investment in batteries. I expect a number of big companies to go bust. On batteries, a black market in batteries is certainly a new idea I havn't heard before, but I think the reason is that there will be no need for it. (I assume you mean fake or pattern replacements for high mileage cars) As I already pointed out, batteries last a long time so cars won't need them to be replaced. Any that need replaced are usually done under warranty by the mfr for a mfr defect. Decent warranties only started around 2018, prior to that Tesla didn't even warrant the battery against capacity loss, although many people thought they did due to the wording in the guarantee. I had a pretty poor opinion of the EV market up to that point, now there is good data available from customers and battery life is still being pushed hard. |
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Jul 24th, 2020, 12:40 | #47 | |
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The question i've always wanted answered is if a secondary school pupil could find the relevant information in a school library and correlate it to show diesel wasn't the viable, green, healthy solution the govt portrayed it as, why couldn't the govt scientists and if they did, why did they not advise the govt against it? I know (found this out much later) there was a panel of experts from oil companies that also told the govt not to do it so maybe the scientists did too. It seems though we are agreed on the fact car companies took "payments" from various governments to produce "clean" diseasels which because of its sooty nature is going to be impossible. I believe (if memory serves correctly) the payments were dressed up as govt grants to help develop clean diseasels so yes, the car companys mouths were writing cheques their engineers had no hope of being able to cash. Not just fake and/or pattern batteries for EVs but also stolen batteries for their precious metal content (although it could be argued that they would then be recycled anyway), batteries cut out of write offs and sold cheap, the possibilities are endless for a high value commodity. Look at tobacco, alcohol, anything else with a high value. Now think about it some more - i daresay you'll come up with more possibilities than i've mentioned! For example, wait untl the drgu cartels realise they can buy an EV and hide drugs inside the battery compartment, cunningly disguised as a battery. The thing is, no matter how good a picture you try and paint, there will always be some irk that decides they can make money by scamming someone else and if they see batteries as an easy target, they will find a way to scam them and/or create a balck market for used/fake batteries with no questions asked. Remember that none of these fake batteries or whatever will be on "the system" so nobody will know if they've been recycled or just dumped.
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Jul 24th, 2020, 14:18 | #48 | |
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There are also a number of different chemistries, and that will only increase. LiFePo is becoming popular again. The value is in the construction as a working battery so the market for stolen EV batteries will be for conversion shops, grid storage etc. Maybe something to look out for. I'm sure they are serialised so mfrs could post the numbers of stolen batteries or verify serial numbers. |
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