Problem with LPG conversion from Classicswede, advice please

[Nyland]

Impressing Classicswede!
I've been following this forum for a while, and I'm horrified over all the BS that is coming from every angel and member.
I think that it is sad that certain members on this forum don't have common decency!

For the record, I have NOT been dealing with Classicswede/dai, and do NOT know him at all.
I just think it's low moral from certain members that are trying to frame CS in every single post!

The best wishes to you, Dai!
Of course it's your duty to fix the LPG at this 245, but in my opinion you show greatness to Rob! Good work!

[TomW]

Originally Posted by Nyland

Impressing Classicswede!
I've been following this forum for a while, and I'm horrified over all the BS that is coming from every angel and member.
I think that it is sad that certain members on this forum don't have common decency!

For the record, I have NOT been dealing with Classicswede/dai, and do NOT know him at all.
I just think it's low moral from certain members that are trying to frame CS in every single post!

The best wishes to you, Dai!
Of course it's your duty to fix the LPG at this 245, but in my opinion you show greatness to Rob! Good work!

Fully agree

[volvobaggen]

I own two cars with open-loop and mixer systems. Lpg cars are more sensitive to bad maintenance, and I always change air filter, tune the system, and keep the ignition system in very good condition to prevent blowbacks.

Blowback is one of those things that can happen, and especially when you run out of lpg and the mixture goes lean. The original poster wrote that he "felt that it was running out of lpg" and that is something I never dare to do.

I live in Scandinavia and recently a friend took his car to the Baltic states to save money on a lpg conversion. There were some issues with the lpg-system we had to fix when we came back, but we accepted that anything could happen to the car, and there would be no way we could go back to get it sorted. We would have to deal with it on our own.

I don´t see how this is all Classicswedes fault. If the OP had lived closer to his installer, this story would never have spilled all over this forum. Blowbacks are not that uncommon. Just do a google search.

Beeing a lpg-installer must be one of the least rewarding jobs I can think of when I see how they are treated on different forums, and especially here.

[subaqua]

Originally Posted by volvobaggen

I own two cars with open-loop and mixer systems. Lpg cars are more sensitive to bad maintenance, and I always change air filter, tune the system, and keep the ignition system in very good condition to prevent blowbacks.

Blowback is one of those things that can happen, and especially when you run out of lpg and the mixture goes lean. The original poster wrote that he "felt that it was running out of lpg" and that is something I never dare to do.

I live in Scandinavia and recently a friend took his car to the Baltic states to save money on a lpg conversion. There were some issues with the lpg-system we had to fix when we came back, but we accepted that anything could happen to the car, and there would be no way we could go back to get it sorted. We would have to deal with it on our own.

I don´t see how this is all Classicswedes fault. If the OP had lived closer to his installer, this story would never have spilled all over this forum. Blowbacks are not that uncommon. Just do a google search.

Beeing a lpg-installer must be one of the least rewarding jobs I can think of when I see how they are treated on different forums, and especially here.

depends if you get a good one or not.

the people that installed the one on my Jeep did a great job. the company that serviced it did a great job but they no longer exist - the bosch centre in woodford bridge.

[Herestandsaman]

Dai's installation on my car is excellent.
I am a fussy guy & have 3 cars running on LPG.
Dai's installation is by FAR the best.
I have a few minor running issues, which I am working with with Dai, but overhaul I am impressed with his work.
I find Dai very knowledgeable regarding lpg & have never caught him out with LPG related items
Dai is an excellent installer with great potential.
Am sure once any current issues are cleared he will go onto be a big hit.
I just feel maybe Dai should sort any problems, ( & all lpg installations have them !! ) before going LIVE !
So, of the 3 installations I have on my cars... Dai, thank you

[Joe Harding]

Originally Posted by mollusk

And don't even think about stamp collecting as an alternative.

Old stamps licked by nasty dangerous humans - think of all the horrible diseases that might lurk.
To ensure our safety it will be necessary for used stamps to be handled by properly qualified and certified personnel wearing appropriate bio-hazard suits - and naturally the stamps and albums should be worked on in fume cabinets fitted with the necessary nano filters.

Stamps are dangerous, stamp collectors are dangerous - they must be regulated.!

Mollusk.

Or put another way, Philately will get you nowhere.

[BananaKing]

Ok,
I'm following on from my earlier post on this LPG install, as I think this is now a new set of problems :

I returned to Wales (from Ireland) in December, taking a week off work with Dai ensuring me that the (in the link above) teething troubles would be fixed. This cost me another £250 in ferry tickets, and £40 in fuel each way to Dublin Port and back. (Dai offered £150 towards those costs). I was reliably informed that the car would be running as it should have originally, following the conversion.

Since getting the car back, I noticed a startlingly fast LPG consumption. To cut a long story short, I got approx 75 miles on a nearly full tank.
Dai suggested to fill up the tank again, so I did. I got to approx 100 miles there on the entire 45 litre tank.
Now when I originally had the installation done back in September, I got 240 miles on a full tank. Clearly there's something very wrong when a full tank of LPG is suddenly considerably less efficient than petrol!!

I've so far spent £1200 for the install, 2 trips to Holyhead at a cost of upwards of £600, and a car I absolutely wish I'd left well alone.

Dai has since suggested we replace the engine (!).

To clarify :
1 - the car ran fine (until the 2 backfires) after the installation, and gave me 240 miles on a 45 litre full tank of LPG.
2 - It now does 100 miles on a full tank.
3 - It runs perfectly fine on petrol, so does not need a new engine to fix this


Where do I stand? What do I do here? Could another LPG Specialist resolve this?

[bongodave]

Nothing would surprise me, except him taking responsibility.

Guarantee, 'It something wrong with your valve caps' or some other lame excuse. He will prob end up blaming you, despite any LPG installer worth salt will never fit a system with anything existingly suspect with car. They actually not allowed to.

Basically means blame lies with him regardless.

If he is registered (doubtful) then report him to governing body. He shouldn't be allowed to continue cocking folks cars up.


Good luck tho mate.

[Thanatos]

well he's not registered so no governing body to complain to

i would say that it needs a new lpg system or the engine looking at as it might have caused damage when it went bang and then trying to get hold of an engine thats in as good a shape as yours was may be hard

personally i would be asking for a refund or for him to pay an genuine lpg fitter in ireland to fix the issues

[cookie]

Personally I'd have just totalled up all receipts/proveable costs, get quote to remove LPG and put car in pre LPG condition, and request full settlement, other wise small claims, then go somewhere that can do the job properly, or just accept car's economy and forget all dreams of LPG