RICA 280 vs. 304

[sholtby]

>Your pint analogy is a good one. What if I poured you a pint
>into a glass that you supplied which had a hole in the side?
>I'm pouring you a pint but you don't get a pint to drink. Do
>you see what I mean? What's more, I would also tell you that
>you are unlikely to enjoy the full pint because your glass is
>not really up to hold it.

I see what you mean Adam. But I still think there is quite a bit of froth on the pint you are pouring and I'm a fair way off spilling my pint due to old glassware.

Simon

[Dan F]

>I would agree with that: arround 40bhp increase on the very
>earliest cars provided that they are in good order from the
>original 220bhp. Stonking mid range torque being more
>important than any top end power bouncing off the rev.
>limiter.

Hi Don.
Try telling that to Ferrari owners, lol.

Interesting though, that the fastest cars (racing or not) all produce their power at the top end (as the revs produce the power).

I for one don't want a car that feels like a diesel to drive.
If an engine revs to 6500 rpm, why not use it, it certainly won't damage anything unless held there for a *long* time.
The benefit of a turbo on an engine is that you can have big high end power and big midrange grunt due to the turbo increasing the volumetric efficiency of the engine so much, PLUS you can actually control the flow of air through the inlet with a turbo (without including the throttle) that is just much harder to do in a NA engine.

Also the lower down in the rev range that you have the 'big torque', surely that is nearer rod bending territory on standard engine parts, and you have always told us that is very bad. Isn't it?

Cheers,
Dan.

>But Adam surly it you site is misleading. No one has a new T5R
>so to say you can get 304BHP is misleading!
>

No one can buy any of our products direct from the internet. They must at some point communicate with us about any product they are interested in. During these communications, such issues are explained. Therfore, if for whatever reason anyone is mislead by the web site (and there may be other confusing stuff on there too), this can be dealt with there and then, and therefore no-one is mislead.

>And just to be clear about this I wasn't asking anything about
>a D5 so no free adverts please.
>

You asked for proof, and I was giving you an example of how the company operates as a form of proof. It doesn't matter if it's the new D5, new T5, new C70, whatever. Fact is, as soon as the car is availabel in Holland, they will develop software for it asap.

Adam.

[pyaap]

To add to my previous post, if you checked Iain's car and felt it was suitable to be upgraded and it wasn't, then that was an error of judgement; everyone makes mistakes and we hopefully learn from them. If it was not checked at all, then Hamish's comments are inappropriate. I think the majority of forum members will be beginning to see why you are the official voice of your company on this forum.

>
>I see what you mean Adam. But I still think there is quite a
>bit of froth on the pint you are pouring and I'm a fair way
>off spilling my pint due to old glassware.
>
>Simon

LOL. I was waiting for that!!!

Adam.

>Agreed, but I was simply making reference to Hamish's point.
>If I failed to do a proper assessment and there were problems
>as a result I would be negligent, regardless of whether I was
>told about it or not.

Quite. That's why I really don't like doing upgrades by post!

Adam.

>To add to my previous post, if you checked Iain's car and
>felt it was suitable to be upgraded and it wasn't, then that
>was an error of judgement; everyone makes mistakes and we
>hopefully learn from them. If it was not checked at all, then
>Hamish's comments are inappropriate. I think the majority of
>forum members will be beginning to see why you are the
>official voice of your company on this forum.

Having an official voice is always beneficial. I for one don't wish for people's personalities to be involved in such discussions. That really should be kept private.

Adam.

[Dan F]

>My car is far from Knackered as you so put it!

Hi.

Ok, your car may not be knackered, but (and this is from my viewpoint) something certainly seems amiss if you have a super duper hybrid turbo boosting at 1.1 bar and you are not getting more than 200 wheel (or worse, crank) hp!

If I was you I would be asking questions.

I had a T4 with the standard 14T turbo boosting 1.2 bar and got over 200BHP at the wheels so you definitely have something not quite right I would say. You figures point to the turbo boosting around 0.6 - 0.7 bar

Later,
Dan.

[pyaap]

>
>Ok, your car may not be knackered, but (and this is from my
>viewpoint) something certainly seems amiss if you have a super
>duper hybrid turbo boosting at 1.1 bar and you are not getting
>more than 200 wheel (or worse, crank) hp!

I think the answer to this would be that it is not easy to accurately measure power on a car with an auto gearbox, even at the wheels.

>I had a T4 with the standard 14T turbo boosting 1.2 bar and
>got over 200BHP at the wheels so you definitely have something
>not quite right I would say.

Totally different car anyway but was this by any chance a manual? At one of the PE rolling road sessions, my T4 produced more power and torque than at least 2 of the then RICA tuned auto cars (Iain's included, and mine only had stage 1 software) too, but it was hardly a fair comparison. BTW, PE do also record wheel horsepower readings on their PC and in my experience, its pretty accurate; you just have to ask.

[SaffronC70]

>>My car is far from Knackered as you so put it!
>
>Hi.
>
>Ok, your car may not be knackered, but (and this is from my
>viewpoint) something certainly seems amiss if you have a super
>duper hybrid turbo boosting at 1.1 bar and you are not getting
>more than 200 wheel (or worse, crank) hp!
>
>If I was you I would be asking questions.
>
>I had a T4 with the standard 14T turbo boosting 1.2 bar and
>got over 200BHP at the wheels so you definitely have something
>not quite right I would say. You figures point to the turbo
>boosting around 0.6 - 0.7 bar
>
>Later,
>Dan.

Take his auto transmission into account.

Chris

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