Problems with classicswede

[volvobaggen]

Im not qualified to decide whether classicswede has made any mistakes or not, but as many others, but Im reading this thread carefully.

Everyone here like to give the impression they are multitalented experts on lpg installations, material and parts manufacturing and consumer law.

Classicswede clearly has his own marketing strategy when it comes to dealing with dissatisfied customers. If it is the right strategy should be up to forum readers and potential future customers to decide.

This conflict should be resolved somewhere else than on this forum.

And Thanatos, you would get more sympathy if you stopped mimicking the agressiveness of a hollowood B movie lawyer. You sound like a very immature and inflexible youngster.

[Thanatos]

Originally Posted by volvobaggen

This conflict should be resolved somewhere else than on this forum.

And Thanatos, you would get more sympathy if you stopped mimicking the agressiveness of a hollowood B movie lawyer. You sound like a very immature and inflexible youngster.

this is a public forum and as such people can tell people how it is


and i have asked valid questions and yes i might be 33 and a youngster and very inflexible when it comes down to work on cars or work in general


but what would you do if it was your vehicle

[volvobaggen]

Originally Posted by Thanatos

but what would you do if it was your vehicle

I would pay an independent expert who has nothing to do with this witch-hunt to look at the installation and get a written statement.

[Rich 264]

Originally Posted by Thanatos

you said that the car would be put on the lpg register as your not an approved register how do you do this?

Try reading post 84

[SonyVaio]

Originally Posted by volvobaggen

Im not qualified to decide whether classicswede has made any mistakes or not, but as many others, but Im reading this thread carefully.

Everyone here like to give the impression they are multitalented experts on lpg installations, material and parts manufacturing and consumer law.

Classicswede clearly has his own marketing strategy when it comes to dealing with dissatisfied customers. If it is the right strategy should be up to forum readers and potential future customers to decide.

This conflict should be resolved somewhere else than on this forum.

And Thanatos, you would get more sympathy if you stopped mimicking the agressiveness of a hollowood B movie lawyer. You sound like a very immature and inflexible youngster.

Originally Posted by volvobaggen

I would pay an independent expert who has nothing to do with this witch-hunt to look at the installation and get a written statement.

Baggen,

I think your needing to get baggen you box?

If you've read the thread fully and correctly you will know that one of the vehicles at least is going to be inspected by VOSA who will do exactly as you have suggested - independent inspection (which is a very good idea).

With regaurds to the rest of your comments then I think they are not in tune with the reast of the thread (IMO). We are all forum readers and potential future customers?? You will also find that a forum admin has also spoken (post #88).

I stated in my first post in this thread (#50) that I have absolutely NO knowledge of LPG installs or tanks etc... The thing is you don't need to know anything about LPG or Installs or Tanks to see and know that there are fundamental flaws in the installations that have been done by Dai. The lack of direct and complete honest answers by Dai has just compounded the problems that exist.

What you have to realise is this is an open public forum and people can contribute what they want to. If you don't like it then simply just don't contribute?

As Thantos says, what would you have done if it was your vehicle? Dai is openly offering his services as an LPG installer (of which he is NOT a member of UKLPG) and on this forum as a Trader! If you had recieved a dodgy install from a trader who you had used offering his services on a high profile and very much respected site, then I think you'd have gone down a simiar route? If nothing else it highlights the quality of work undertaken by Dai and people can make their own informed opinion as opposed to just not knowing and going in blind???

Unlike you I actually think this is the perfect place for the conflict to be resolved. This way anything that is said or produced is all in the open. This can help or hinder both sides and the quality of Dai's customer service can be seen. If Dai does and has done everything correct then there is absolutely nothing for him to worry about, in the end it may well show his actions to be admirable and his installations first class. On the other hand if he has been doing anything underhand then he may well pay the price - publically. I bet you wouldn't be saying the same for those people caught by Rogue Traders???

I think this thread serves the forum as a whole by possibly protecting other members from a Rogue Trader and in the event of Dai being an admirable trader with good customer service and doing everything properly then it will also serve him very well by showing this too.

[The Hooded Claw]

Originally Posted by Rich 264

Try reading post 84

Quote from Post 84 >>>>>

However if needed I do get my installations indipendantly inspected by local UKLPG member installers to have the car registered on the UKLPG data base.

Now a Quote from Post 90>>>>>

I've seen the certificate that came with Rick's car, and it is signed by you, how do you square that with the above statement?

Question .....

HOW can Dia sign this certificate HIMSELF if he DOES NOT "Inspect" or is UKLPG Registered himself Surely it SHOULD have the "Independent Assessor's" Signature on it (who IS UKLPG registered) shouldn't it ????

[940_Turbo]

Originally Posted by volvobaggen

Im not qualified to decide whether classicswede has made any mistakes or not, but as many others, but Im reading this thread carefully.

Everyone here like to give the impression they are multitalented experts on lpg installations, material and parts manufacturing and consumer law.

Classicswede clearly has his own marketing strategy when it comes to dealing with dissatisfied customers. If it is the right strategy should be up to forum readers and potential future customers to decide.

This conflict should be resolved somewhere else than on this forum.

If you're not qualified then on what basis did you decide it's a witch hunt?

The essential question is pretty simple. Dai published a price list on this forum and that price list contained specific branded items with a market value. He did not supply those specific goods.

Secondly goods or services provided have to be fit for purpose. The complaint isn't that it doesn't look very nice. The complaint is that these cars don't work properly. They were not given back to their owners in a serviceable condition.

Rick's car leaked gas

Dai, by his own admission, left loose bolts

He admitted that injectors just cable tied to a bracket is not good enough, yet he sent the car out like that.

Volvo fitted hinges to the spare wheel well lid so it can't fly round in the car in the event of an accident. Dai removed the hinges and left the covers unsecured.

Rick's car has broken down completely in more than one occasion now.

Originally Posted by volvobaggen

I would pay an independent expert who has nothing to do with this witch-hunt to look at the installation and get a written statement.

In Rick's case an independent expert did look at the car. The parts fitted are not a 'kit'.

Dai promised Japanese Keihin injectors, he supplied Korean HANA

He promised a premium kit with an ECU superior to a Prins, he supplied an Oscar N which is about as cheap an ECU as can be found on the market.

Rick took his car to not one but two independent LPG specialists. He paid Dai £1340, he ended up with a car that refuses to run properly. Consensus of opinion is that the job was cheap and shoddy and not worth anywhere near what he paid.

[volvobaggen]

Sonyvaio - I cant remember that Thanatos has written in this thread that he is going to get his car inspected again. I have only read the post where the forumuser mikeadler inspected the car. Is he a registered lpg-expert? Because it surely seems like it when you read his post.

Just by looking at first post in this thread, it is designed to damage classicswedes reputation and scare people away. And this provokes me.
Whenever someone googles classicswede, posts are going to come up with the title "prblems with classicswede" or "yet more problems with classicswede" etc. It is not going to go away. Damage is allready done.

I also find classicswedes position in this case suprisingly rigid and evasive.

Since there are so many accusations regarding paperwork, components and installation, why not just get it looked at by someone who is professional and knowledgeable?

[940_Turbo]

Originally Posted by classicswede

I am not a UKLPG member. My last dealings with them were when they were still the LPGA. However if needed I do get my installations indipendantly inspected by local UKLPG member installers to have the car registered on the UKLPG data base. I have never had a conversion fail.

Some of my training certs are out of date for some of the brands I no longer use such as BRC but all others are fully upto date for the latest generation systems.

Below is the certificate for Rick's car. If you're not a UKLPG member and your 'last dealings with them were when they were still the LPGA.'

Is this certificate worth the paper it is written on? On whose authority was it issued? I'm confused.

[deathrider311271]

Originally Posted by volvobaggen

Sonyvaio - I cant remember that Thanatos has written in this thread that he is going to get his car inspected again. I have only read the post where the forumuser mikeadler inspected the car. Is he a registered lpg-expert? Because it surely seems like it when you read his post.

Just by looking at first post in this thread, it is designed to damage classicswedes reputation and scare people away. And this provokes me.
Whenever someone googles classicswede, posts are going to come up with the title "prblems with classicswede" or "yet more problems with classicswede" etc. It is not going to go away. Damage is allready done.

I also find classicswedes position in this case suprisingly rigid and evasive.

Since there are so many accusations regarding paperwork, components and installation, why not just get it looked at by someone who is professional and knowledgeable?

At the end of the day this bloke has a business albeit part time even tho looking at his website you would think its a proper business with proper business premises, the point here is there are 2 cars that havent had the jobs done properly, both customers have given him the chance to put things right yet he chooses to bury his head in the sand and say nothing is wrong. Please explain to me how this is right for a business owner???

As a business owner you know things go wrong from time to time and therefore should set funds aside for these events, as i have already said sometimes you have to take a loss to keep the customer happy and keep your reputation in tact. If your not prepared to sort a genuine problem out you dont deserve to have a business.

Just for the record i recomended Andy (Thanatos) take the car to VOSA as well as another couple of members.

Just a quick question for classic swede: have you ever seen a gas cylinder go off??

Please think carefully before you try to bull**** me, i have seen what happens and the aftermath. Compressed gas is not safe in any situation fact. And yes i am qualified to make statements about compressed gas and road regulation for the carriage of it.