No Diesel Particulate Filter

[grainqey]

Originally Posted by chunderground

if manufacturers do not fix this problem I think there will be a mass market for disabling DPFs. I would far prefer it if motor manufacturers found a fix but 3- 5 years on there is no fix in sight. I would think that the cost of running back to the manufacturers dealer for new DPFs / engines / turbos (the two latter items lubricated with what is effectively vegetable oil) every few thousand miles would be unacceptably expensive to the majority of owners.
Volvo claim it is the bio diesel (vegetable oil) component which is getting into the sump which will not evaporate out.
With the expensive 0w-30 oil volvo spec for the engine it is laughable that they refuse to change the oil when it has been diluted with vegetable oil.
It is now a legal requirement that all diesel fuel has to contain 7% bio fuel.
The DPF engines were designed before this was a legal requirement.
The excess fuel getting into the sump was supposed to evaporate before causing problem. Bio fuel (vegetable oil) does not evaporate. Which is why we now are having this problem.
So the EU created the problem by insisting on DPFs being fitted to diesel engines and the UK government completed the stitch up by insisting on a 7% bio fuel component.
We have been stitched up good and proper the EU and UK legislators and the motor manufacturers.
End of Rant

im getting my dpf mapped out even though i'v had no problems with it sooting up, i'd just rather not have the stupid thing-slightly improves fuel economy too seeing as it's not having to clean it with diesel, so out comes a hammer to knock all the "filter" gubbins out of it lol
alex

[LRS]

Originally Posted by chunderground

We have been stitched up good and proper the EU and UK legislators and the motor manufacturers.
End of Rant

This is a completley insane situation!

The poor, powerless consumer has no choice but to fill their car with diesel fuel that the EU has deemed necessary to add bio-fuel to save planet earth. This then has a direct negative effect on the engine oil quality because yet another EU planet earth saver - the DPF, has also been deemed necessary...

The poor old consumer will also have no power of recourse from the vehicle manufacturer as they have been able to distance their responsibility away from this diabolical situation.

Does anyone know if the 7% bio-diesel statute applies the same to all diesel fuel types e.g. Shell normal diesel compared to Shell VPower diesel?

What a complete nightmare...

Below is an excerp from the EXPLANATORY MEMORANDUM TO THE BIOFUEL (LABELLING) (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS 2009
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...0093277_en.pdf

3.2 Vehicle Compatibility and Fuel Standards

Bioethanol and biodiesel have different properties from petrol and diesel and these can limit the percentage of biofuel that can be added to petrol and diesel if the resultant blend is to be compatible with existing vehicles in the vehicle fleet. Industry fuel standards are developed jointly by the fuel and automotive industries to ensure compatibility of vehicles and fuels. The European industry standards for petrol and diesel are EN 228 and EN 590
respectively. For some years these have permitted up to 5% bioethanol and 5% biodiesel content, by volume, in petrol and diesel. The EU Biofuels Directive 2003/30/EC reflects these constraints in its Article 3(5) which
requires Member States to ensure that a specific label is applied to pumps dispensing fuels containing more than 5% biofuel by volume.
However, recently industry have reviewed the percentage of biodiesel with which diesel vehicles are compatible concluding that a 7% blend level is acceptable for normal diesel vehicles (a few car and van manufacturers warrant vehicles to run on up to 30% blends and some heavy duty vehicle manufacturers produce vehicles capable of running on pure
biodiesel).
The key limiting factor is the introduction of Diesel Particulate Filters (DPF) on new diesel vehicles. This technology is being introduced in response to the stringent ‘Euro 5’ emissions standards that are being phased in for new cars and vans between 1st September 2009 and 1st January 2012, although a small number of earlier vehicles are also fitted with this technology. A DPF physically filters out soot particles from the vehicle’s 9 exhaust; periodically, stored soot has to be burnt off the DPF (a process known as ‘regeneration’) in order to prevent the DPF blocking and bringing the vehicle to a halt. Most
vehicles regenerate DPFs by injecting a small amount of additional fuel into the engine very late in the combustion cycle (a process known as ‘post-injection’) in order to raise exhaust temperatures to a level where the soot stored in the DPF burns. Post-injection inevitably results in some fuel getting past the piston rings and into the engine’s sump, diluting the lubricating oil. The boiling point of fossil diesel is low enough that it boils off, out of the lubricating oil during normal engine operation, preventing significant dilution of
the oil’s lubricating properties. Biodiesel has a higher boiling point and hence tends to accumulate in lubricating oil resulting in accelerated engine wear unless oil change frequency is increased. Vehicle manufacturers have identified a 7% biodiesel content as the level beyond which ‘oil dilution’ becomes a significant issue. As a result of the above, in discussions on amending the industry diesel fuel standard (EN 590) to permit a higher biodiesel content vehicle manufacturers agreed to permitting up to
7% biodiesel content, but no more, in diesel. EN 590:2009, permitting up to 7% biodiesel content in diesel, was agreed by the European Committee for Standardisation (CEN) on 12th March 2009.

[paul123]

Originally Posted by grainqey

im getting my dpf mapped out even though i'v had no problems with it sooting up, i'd just rather not have the stupid thing-slightly improves fuel economy too seeing as it's not having to clean it with diesel, so out comes a hammer to knock all the "filter" gubbins out of it lol
alex

thinking of doing the same my dpf as allready cost me having to have it regenerated and now its gone again, is it really legal to have it removed that is my only concern and as anyone here had it done if so would you recomend it ?

[calypsoe34]

Originally Posted by Clan

its all in the 8th character of the VIN :

3 = euro 3 NO particle filter
4 = Euro 4 No particle filter
5 = Euro 4 WITH particle filter

You have no idea how happy this little nugget of information has made me! 8th character on mine is 4 - Yessss!!!

[Clan]

That chassis info only applies to S40/V50/C30/C70 range . If you have a S80 D5 it will have a particle filter , but they are no problem generaly ..

[calypsoe34]

Bummer!!

[cheetah]

Originally Posted by Clan

its all in the 8th character of the VIN :

3 = euro 3 NO particle filter
4 = Euro 4 No particle filter
5 = Euro 4 WITH particle filter

My VIN is YV1MK76E292143672 My car is a C301.6 SE Diesel 2009.
1. Does it have a Particle filter?
and
2. It "judders" when I switch off the engine,is this "normal"?

[5cilinder]

Check if the throttle closes when the engine shuts off or if it does if there are no leaks in the intake after the throttle

[Ninja59]

Originally Posted by cheetah

My VIN is YV1MK76E292143672 My car is a C301.6 SE Diesel 2009.
1. Does it have a Particle filter?
and
2. It "judders" when I switch off the engine,is this "normal"?

1.6D will have one.The only C30 really not to have one was the 2.0D

[robinhood2]

Originally Posted by Loskie

after initially reading this thread I posted a question to Volvo Customer Services via their website. My car is a July 09 V50 2.0DS.
This was their response:-
"Thank you for your email and I apologise for the delay in responding to
you. I can confirm that your vehicle does not have a particulate filter.
This information is gleaned from the chassis number YV1MW754XXXXXXXX.
75 is the engine variant and the following 4 shows that it is Euro 4
emissions which do not have the filter. I hope this is the information
you require, thank you for your contact with this office."
The brochure and dealers aren't at all clear. Hopefully the information I was given is correct.

You were lucky getting an answer from volvo
I have a similar V50 2.0D Reg Oct 2010 model.

This was Volvo Customer Service reply to my DPF enquiry and I gave them the Vin No and engine number.
"Please note that you will need to talk to the seller or your local Volvo dealer to confirm the specification, including if a DPF is fitted. I regret that this is not a service we provide. You can find your nearest dealer by following the web link below:"

From your post and others have since found that if the 8th digit number is 4 then no DPF od additive tank fitted