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Burdekin · Dec 17th, 2013, 19:47

I wanted to get the sills closed up before I left on holiday so welded in the inner sill repair and lower A pillar repair. The A pillar has had a few patches welded in but it's all good now but you can still see where they are at the moment. I cut the lower flange on the inner sill longer so that still needs to be ground straight, the welds on the repairs need to be ground down and any pin holes welded again etc. There's plenty of welding and grinding for Dave to get on with when I'm away but we're not a million miles away from finishing this section of the car.

random_noise · Dec 18th, 2013, 10:09

Thanks Mitch, it's looking good.

Was only able to stop by for a few minutes last night but saw that you had already got it welded up! Hopefully the jack point & new outrigger will arrive today. I'm going to get everything ground back & looking nice then will finish making the floor panels.

123GT-AMAZON · Dec 18th, 2013, 12:52

i tell you what makes me go erhhh for example i have my 123GT on the ramp this week to do some tasks ready for its rolling restro ( aiming for mot first so full working order all round car top of list ) now the outriggers seemed at quick glance pretty solid for now cough cough the dam cowboy that fitted the new outrigger well he must of struggled with the car on the floor is my only thought why he did it that way - he screwed the thing in place and tacked and i mean tack in each corner job done and buttered it up with filler well the workmanship fitting it was shall we say cut and shut so i hate doing things twice im gonna have to lol unscrew the outrigger out and throw it a complete waste of time and refit new outriggers as the other side is even worse but least he never wasted a new outrigger he or she even wrapped small gauge 1mm at most tin like a backed bean tin round the old outrigger and least made a attempt to weld it .
its just not good enough so i will have that done next week as a few bits top get done before then on other projects but why o why do people bodge stuff and think that will do if a jobs worth doing its worth doing right the first time round !!! i may start a thread share your photos of bodged work been done prior to you getting the car pmsl just to show how poor some repairs get done on these .

least there is no fear of that with your car dave some real tidy welding being done and everything as it should be it would grind on me just driving a car knowing it had a scare attached to it maybe thats just me

happy welding keep us posted as always and dont forget ya mince pie with your (_)P T at breaktime it is xmas after all

regards
robert

Burdekin · Dec 18th, 2013, 13:32

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Originally Posted by 1800necwinner

i tell you what makes me go erhhh for example i have my 123GT on the ramp this week to do some tasks ready for its rolling restro ( aiming for mot first so full working order all round car top of list ) now the outriggers seemed at quick glance pretty solid for now cough cough the dam cowboy that fitted the new outrigger well he must of struggled with the car on the floor is my only thought why he did it that way - he screwed the thing in place and tacked and i mean tack in each corner job done and buttered it up with filler well the workmanship fitting it was shall we say cut and shut so i hate doing things twice im gonna have to lol unscrew the outrigger out and throw it a complete waste of time and refit new outriggers as the other side is even worse but least he never wasted a new outrigger he or she even wrapped small gauge 1mm at most tin like a backed bean tin round the old outrigger and least made a attempt to weld it .
its just not good enough so i will have that done next week as a few bits top get done before then on other projects but why o why do people bodge stuff and think that will do if a jobs worth doing its worth doing right the first time round !!! i may start a thread share your photos of bodged work been done prior to you getting the car pmsl just to show how poor some repairs get done on these .

least there is no fear of that with your car dave some real tidy welding being done and everything as it should be it would grind on me just driving a car knowing it had a scare attached to it maybe thats just me

happy welding keep us posted as always and dont forget ya mince pie with your (_)P T at breaktime it is xmas after all

regards
robert

Totally agree Robert! Every old Volvo that I've worked on has had bodges done so there's plenty of cowboys out there doing shoddy work!!! Dave's taking the sensible approach of replacing everything that needs replacing now, do it once and do it properly attitude.

random_noise · Dec 27th, 2013, 17:48

Managed to pop in to the workshop today for a couple of hours so was able to crack on a bit more.

I cut the rest of the rotten floor out- finally got rid of all the rot ready for some new metal.

Then I got the new jack point installed. Drilled a couple of holes which I plug welded, then welded round the edges as well- should be plenty secure enough.

Next up did a bit of grinding to tidy up some of the welds- I found a couple of small holes which I patched up with the welder. Must have been a bit overenthusiastic with the grinder, as one of the holes kept blowing through while attempting to weld it. I made a small plate to weld in instead. After grinding it looks not too bad. Once its painted & covered in waxoyl you wont be able to tell.

Was getting a bit scunnered for the day so tidied up the workshop. I (foolishly) decided to to have a poke at some slight bubbling at the offside rear sill.

After putting my finger in the hole & wiggling I pulled out all this rust. I need to learn to stop poking about.

Burdekin · Dec 27th, 2013, 21:23

Looking good Dave. Looks like it will be the same again in the other side then.

Bladerider · Dec 28th, 2013, 14:07

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Originally Posted by random_noise

After putting my finger in the hole & wiggling I pulled out all this rust. I need to learn to stop poking about.

Better to find it now whilst you have all the gear at hand and a facility you can work in. Great job guys, keep going, and happy Hogmanay.

random_noise · Jan 8th, 2014, 21:10

Happy New Year to all you Volvo fans. Was back in the workshop tonight & got looking more at where I cut out the outrigger. There was quite a bit of rot inside the chassis rail where the old out rigger had been bodged in.

Another pic from underneath the car- filler used on a structural piece, nice!

So you know the story now.. chop it out!

Gonna get working on a replacement part tomorrow.

Bonus pic of rusty section, see rotten bottom & holes in side where the old outrigger had been welded on sans priming.

Also did a bit more underseal scraping in preparation for putting it back together & repainting. Found a couple of cracks in the wheel arch right in the corner. Cant work out exactly what could have caused them- I can only think at some point a wheel may have hit it with force. Its a wee bit close to the fuel line to weld away from inside wheel arch so may leave it until I've got the engine out at a later point.

Derek UK · Jan 9th, 2014, 16:22

The cracks shown in your last picture aren't uncommon. See this bulletin.

http://volvo1800pictures.com/sb/8/8_...g%20plates.htm

An essential addition if you rally an Amazon. Front chassis members flex in rough bumpy conditions. You can imagine what a few aerials will do!

random_noise · Jan 9th, 2014, 17:04

Thanks Derek, that's some great info. I quite like the idea of reinforcing them now that I have the crack.. was just going to weld it up. I suppose it will mean I've got the same on the other side to look forward to as well.

I suppose the pot holes in Aberdeen would count as 'severe driving conditions'

Dec 18th, 2013, 10:09	#72
random_noise VOC Member Last Online: Sep 22nd, 2017 08:11 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Aberdeen	Thanks Mitch, it's looking good. Was only able to stop by for a few minutes last night but saw that you had already got it welded up! Hopefully the jack point & new outrigger will arrive today. I'm going to get everything ground back & looking nice then will finish making the floor panels. __________________ Cheers, Dave

Dec 18th, 2013, 12:52	#73
123GT-AMAZON 1800necwinner Last Online: Yesterday 10:25 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: East Anglia ,Suffolk , uk	i tell you what makes me go erhhh for example i have my 123GT on the ramp this week to do some tasks ready for its rolling restro ( aiming for mot first so full working order all round car top of list ) now the outriggers seemed at quick glance pretty solid for now cough cough the dam cowboy that fitted the new outrigger well he must of struggled with the car on the floor is my only thought why he did it that way - he screwed the thing in place and tacked and i mean tack in each corner job done and buttered it up with filler well the workmanship fitting it was shall we say cut and shut so i hate doing things twice im gonna have to lol unscrew the outrigger out and throw it a complete waste of time and refit new outriggers as the other side is even worse but least he never wasted a new outrigger he or she even wrapped small gauge 1mm at most tin like a backed bean tin round the old outrigger and least made a attempt to weld it . its just not good enough so i will have that done next week as a few bits top get done before then on other projects but why o why do people bodge stuff and think that will do if a jobs worth doing its worth doing right the first time round !!! i may start a thread share your photos of bodged work been done prior to you getting the car pmsl just to show how poor some repairs get done on these . least there is no fear of that with your car dave some real tidy welding being done and everything as it should be it would grind on me just driving a car knowing it had a scare attached to it maybe thats just me happy welding keep us posted as always and dont forget ya mince pie with your (_)P T at breaktime it is xmas after all regards robert __________________ I grew up on classic volvos hence my passion for them born and breed into the lifestyle !

Dec 27th, 2013, 17:48	#75
random_noise VOC Member Last Online: Sep 22nd, 2017 08:11 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Aberdeen	Managed to pop in to the workshop today for a couple of hours so was able to crack on a bit more. I cut the rest of the rotten floor out- finally got rid of all the rot ready for some new metal. Then I got the new jack point installed. Drilled a couple of holes which I plug welded, then welded round the edges as well- should be plenty secure enough. Next up did a bit of grinding to tidy up some of the welds- I found a couple of small holes which I patched up with the welder. Must have been a bit overenthusiastic with the grinder, as one of the holes kept blowing through while attempting to weld it. I made a small plate to weld in instead. After grinding it looks not too bad. Once its painted & covered in waxoyl you wont be able to tell. Was getting a bit scunnered for the day so tidied up the workshop. I (foolishly) decided to to have a poke at some slight bubbling at the offside rear sill. After putting my finger in the hole & wiggling I pulled out all this rust. I need to learn to stop poking about. __________________ Cheers, Dave

Jan 8th, 2014, 21:10	#78
random_noise VOC Member Last Online: Sep 22nd, 2017 08:11 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Aberdeen	Happy New Year to all you Volvo fans. Was back in the workshop tonight & got looking more at where I cut out the outrigger. There was quite a bit of rot inside the chassis rail where the old out rigger had been bodged in. Another pic from underneath the car- filler used on a structural piece, nice! So you know the story now.. chop it out! Gonna get working on a replacement part tomorrow. Bonus pic of rusty section, see rotten bottom & holes in side where the old outrigger had been welded on sans priming. Also did a bit more underseal scraping in preparation for putting it back together & repainting. Found a couple of cracks in the wheel arch right in the corner. Cant work out exactly what could have caused them- I can only think at some point a wheel may have hit it with force. Its a wee bit close to the fuel line to weld away from inside wheel arch so may leave it until I've got the engine out at a later point. __________________ Cheers, Dave

Jan 9th, 2014, 17:04	#80
random_noise VOC Member Last Online: Sep 22nd, 2017 08:11 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Aberdeen	Thanks Derek, that's some great info. I quite like the idea of reinforcing them now that I have the crack.. was just going to weld it up. I suppose it will mean I've got the same on the other side to look forward to as well. I suppose the pot holes in Aberdeen would count as 'severe driving conditions' __________________ Cheers, Dave

Dec 27th, 2013, 21:23	#76
Burdekin Chief Bodger Last Online: Yesterday 05:59 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Aberdeen	Looking good Dave. Looks like it will be the same again in the other side then.

Jan 9th, 2014, 16:22	#79
Derek UK VOC Member Last Online: Yesterday 23:46 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chatham	The cracks shown in your last picture aren't uncommon. See this bulletin. http://volvo1800pictures.com/sb/8/8_...g%20plates.htm An essential addition if you rally an Amazon. Front chassis members flex in rough bumpy conditions. You can imagine what a few aerials will do!

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