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Old Jun 12th, 2020, 18:18   #1
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I bought my XC90 D5 AWD in a private sale - sold as seen! I had only driven it about 10 miles and ‘Transmission service urgent’ came on. I have had it looked at by an independent Volvo specialist, who replaced to transmission fluid. However, the problem keeps coming back. When the warning light comes on, I can not select manual gears and the display just shows a - there is limited gear change. If I pull over and stop the car, then restart the problem disappears for a time. Anything from a few miles to several trips - up to about 75 miles is the best.
The OBD2 codes are:
P0735 (ECU 18) Gear 5 incorrect ratio
P0501 (ECU 18) Vehicle speed sensor (VSS) range/performance problem
P0700 (ECU 10) Transmission control system MIL request circuit malfunction
Does anyone have any thoughts on this problem, it seems to me - a novice at such things, that if just by stopping and restarting the problem goes away, it can’t be that serious, but the garage seemed to think that a replacement gearbox was needed.
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Old Jun 12th, 2020, 19:09   #2
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You don't say which year the car is - there were two gearboxes fitted to the XC90 (assuming you have a diesel). From the errors I'm guessing it's a older pre 2006 MY 163 BHP car with a 5-speed gearbox (black engine cover).

In any case, this sounds like a typical problem of a worn gearbox unfortunately, it might be worth replacing the vehicle speed sensor which is easy to do as it's on the outside of the gearbox.

There are two speed sensors on the gearbox, and input speed (which is not necessarily engine speed as it is post torque converter) and output speed (road speed). The computer compares the two with what it expects and logs errors if it thinks there's a problem. It maybe that a locking clutch is worn in the gearbox which is causing internal slip and hence throwing up the error.

I would get a second hand sensor from e-bay and try it - it's a slim chance but could save you a lot of money.

You could also set fire to the replacement car that the sh**head who sold it to you has bought since he clearly would have known about the problem.
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Thank you Tannaton.
The vehicle was first registered in January 2006 so is a 55Reg.
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hi I,d give trading standards a ring to get how you stand legally as I,m sure a few years back there was a law passed to give people buying cars privately a bit more legal cover in circumstances like this .
never know worth a try
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hi I,d give trading standards a ring to get how you stand legally as I,m sure a few years back there was a law passed to give people buying cars privately a bit more legal cover in circumstances like this .
never know worth a try
If actively misrepresented either in print or in person by the seller, and it can be shown to be so, then could be a struggle.
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I think trading standards would only apply if he bought from a dealer, from a private seller he may have some redress if he can prove the car was not as per the description but this would be a court claims process I think.
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I think trading standards would only apply if he bought from a dealer, from a private seller he may have some redress if he can prove the car was not as per the description but this would be a court claims process I think.
I think it's a slightly higher burden of proof IIRC, as above.

If car was good and the 'box went pop in 10 miles use, tough.

If seller was silent on known faults in advert, or didn't voluntarily disclose them (i.e. they weren't asked as part of the buying process) tough.

If seller knew faults, but misdescribed the car e.g. "no faults" in the advert, or when asked said, knowing the truth to be otherwise, the same thing, then there's a possibility.
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I think it's a slightly higher burden of proof IIRC, as above.

If car was good and the 'box went pop in 10 miles use, tough.

If seller was silent on known faults in advert, or didn't voluntarily disclose them (i.e. they weren't asked as part of the buying process) tough.

If seller knew faults, but misdescribed the car e.g. "no faults" in the advert, or when asked said, knowing the truth to be otherwise, the same thing, then there's a possibility.
Yep my feeling is you're spot on... hence the phrase "caveat emptor..."
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Old Jun 16th, 2020, 22:12   #9
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Hodge911 is correct - even a private buyer must ensure that the vehicle is free of faults unless they are declared at sale - you have a legal right to return the car or tell the seller you are taking them to court and you will win the case. A friend of mine sold their car recently and it developed a fault within a few weeks and they had to pay to put it right or take the car back - they themselves checked with trading standards and the seller was correct in insisting they put it right EVEN THOUGH the fault was not present when they sold it!
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Hodge911 is correct - even a private buyer must ensure that the vehicle is free of faults unless they are declared at sale - you have a legal right to return the car or tell the seller you are taking them to court and you will win the case. A friend of mine sold their car recently and it developed a fault within a few weeks and they had to pay to put it right or take the car back - they themselves checked with trading standards and the seller was correct in insisting they put it right EVEN THOUGH the fault was not present when they sold it!
Can I have a reference for that please.

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Here's mine v-a-v a private sale.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/co...th-a-used-car/

I'd respectfully suggest you are both wrong. The above reference from the CAB exactly mirrors the explanation I gave in an earlier post.

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