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Old Jun 4th, 2013, 23:27   #41
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Really?! I was going to put a post here at lunchtime, I should have.

Dai, I have a problem here as you are a friend. As a friend I extend you the courtesy to point out *exactly* what the problems are in the photos you have posted, no playing games and trying to stir. Keith has pointed out these are mock up photos, whilst I struggle to believe many would cut out a boot spare wheel well in the purposes of mocking up I'm going to take him at his word to extend the same level of courtesy, so this is a theoretical exercise.

Everyone, may I remind you that in this country, people are innocent until proven guilty. Whilst anyone may have their opinion on matters occurred, there is a case going to court, where a definitive answer will be decided. Until then, no one gets to call the situation.

Lastly, Dai, do you really think this is doing you any favours?

Sensible discussion, based around fact, otherwise I'll let Rupert out with the ban hammer.
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Chris the mock up photos were taken after the torrodal tank was fitted in situ and was in no way a this is how to do it.


And as has been said before this never happened as the car was sold and the LPG tank was sold on as well this is a pointless exercise.
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I think it is quite clear that this was a lot further than a mock up and as Keith has already stated the plan was to take the car for inspection once completed. There is absolutely no problem with doing a DIY installation from a legal point of view and there is a UK forum that offers help with DIY installation and repairs.

So the problems

1) The Tank



now as it could not have been secured in as the boot floor had been cut out we don't know for sure how it would have finaly ended up.
The valve is facing the wrong way and should be at the back of the car rather than the front as it is.

The problem with doing this is that with a low LPG under acceleration or climbing a hill the LPG pick up pipe will end up taking vapour rather than taking liquid as it should. That will then result in a lean mix with a mixer ring installation as chosen.

It does also look to have started rusting. The testing installer would want to fully inspect the tank possibly inside and out.


2) Vapouriser mounting





With a mixer ring installation the vaporiser has a load sensitive diaphragm (or in the case of the one shown 2 diaphragms) the must be positioned in line with the car front to back. It has been mounted more like side to side.
The result of this is that there would be fuel mixture control problems that would be likely to cause running problems and engine stalling.
The OMVL does tell the direction that is should be installed




3) suitability of the system?

As the 960 is fitted with lambda controlled fuel injection system with multi port firing then a multi point LPG system should be used. Furthermore the 960 inlet manifold is not of solid metal construction but joined with rubber link hoses. Only engine with solid metal manifolds are suitable for use with mixer systems.
To make matters worse the 960 has a very big chamber in the inlet manifold that would hold a lot of air/fuel mixture. When it does backfire the volume of fuel creates a massive explosion as has been experienced by a forum member here
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I strongly agree with Classicswede....Don't do it, I say this as my 960 had a single point and after 10,000 blew up ! ......

The explosion blew the inlet manifold clean off which in turn set alight to the engine bay, I managed to put out the flames ......but it took out the main engine wiring harness.......and most of the engine bay.

To cut a long story short ..... it took 7 months for volvo to repair, £8500 and lots of time and effort and had to buy another car in between .... (this was a few years ago....)

I now have a C70 running on a stand alone direct injection multi-point BRC LPG system........the Only one to go for.

Just speaking from experience.....
and it would be fairly safe to assume a mixer ring installation was responsible for this one
http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/649534


The combination of the incorrectly positioned vapouriser and tank valve is almost certain to cause lean mix problems resulting in such a backfire.
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methinks its been made private because it was highlighted here.
Interesting.

A wise man saves a screenshot or 'private cache' of all or anything, any page or any cache whilst available, that could be classed as evidence, or could support his position.

If the suggested page or pages are 'no longer available' or 'private' , then one has to wonder WHY that is the case? WHY have they been removed?

Thats right - Why have certain pages on certain websites been removed? Just wondering?

Are they really no longer available? I have no idea?

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Chris the mock up photos were taken after the torrodal tank was fitted in situ and was in no way a this is how to do it.


And as has been said before this never happened as the car was sold and the LPG tank was sold on as well this is a pointless exercise.
As Andy has said the planned LPG conversion NEVER TOOK PLACE .... & YES I did cut out the boot ready for the tank install ... However when the tank was placed within the wheelwell it was obvious to me (& others who viewed it) that it was a much larger tank than had been previously thought.

it was decided that a smaller tank would / should be sourced & until that time (as the 960 was quite obviously off the road) .. it would be safer to leave the larger tank sat in the wheelwell. (we thought it would be "best" as if the members Grandchildren came round we would certainly NOT want a tank that was half full of LPG sitting in the garage)

As far as the Completed job .. it NEVER HAPPENED ..... the car now resides in Scotland & the Tank is being utilized in another LPG conversion down South.

But I must say THANK YOU for at least showing me the courtesy of "Understanding" & taking the things I have written within this thread at Face Value .....

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Interesting.

A wise man saves a screenshot or 'private cache' of all or anything, any page or any cache whilst available, that could be classed as evidence, or could support his position.

If the suggested page or pages are 'no longer available' or 'private' , then one has to wonder WHY that is the case? WHY have they been removed?

Thats right - Why have certain pages on certain websites been removed? Just wondering?

Are they really no longer available? I have no idea?

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I'm sure you will remember some time ago we were "Hacked" & had our Database compromised (fortunately we were able to restore MOST things from our Back up Servers) .. however, it appears that when we restored everything we left out our "Members Only" Viewing settings we never realised this until this thread came to light......... it has ALWAYS been our intention for "Guests & Visitors" to only see certain sections of the VVC ... (like here where only FULL VOC members can see the "Members Section" ect ect)

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Chris the mock up photos were taken after the torrodal tank was fitted in situ and was in no way a this is how to do it.


And as has been said before this never happened as the car was sold and the LPG tank was sold on as well this is a pointless exercise.
If it wasn't a 'how to do it' why have the long established posts on 'how to fit an LPG system to xxxx car', been removed so quickly, so recently then?

I am so confused here in this thread.

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If it wasn't a 'how to do it' why have the long established posts on 'how to fit an LPG system to xxxx car', been removed so quickly, so recently then?

I am so confused here in this thread.

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instead of posting random rubbish & "FISHING" all the time .. try READING THE POSTS YOU MISSED
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VR ..... STOP "BAITING" no one is going to "Bite" ...... but just to make sure your happy & can sleep well tonight I WILL explain WHY you can no longer "See" certain Threads on the VVC

I'm sure you will remember some time ago we were "Hacked" & had our Database compromised (fortunately we were able to restore MOST things from our Back up Servers) .. however, it appears that when we restored everything we left out our "Members Only" Viewing settings we never realised this until this thread came to light......... it has ALWAYS been our intention for "Guests & Visitors" to only see certain sections of the VVC ... (like here where only FULL VOC members can see the "Members Section" ect ect)

all types of forums "Like" to have "lots" of members but having a TOTALLY OPEN forum would defeat that object therefore LIKE HERE Certain sections are "Off Limits" until you officially Join the VVC...

I hope this makes it plain to you........

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Hi Keith

I never sleep well, I am always ''on call' ...lol...!!!!! Always awake!!..I think...!!!

WOW, indeed your privacy settings are indeed a major oversight.

Anyway, I am not baiting, I am wondering. Its only lawyers in court that ''bait'' in order to get a specified response. I like a specified response so maybe one may consider I am 'baiting'...??

What I am sad about is that having read everywhere all the issues regarding all or any LPG issues , it is something I believe could have and should have been sorted a long time ago - on both sides. If it was something I was dealing with (on both sides) as sure as eggs are eggs things WOULD have been sorted, and believe me they would have been sorted amicably I reckon. I have dealt with many things like this over the years.

It seems this lpg issues has sunk to 'baby posts here there and everywhere', and it is my suggestion that this is not a good idea. As I re-iterate, there is enough information in these threads so posted to swing a case one way or the other, dependent upon the interpretation and acceptance of that interpretation. It's never a good idea to post publicly when matters go to court

Also what I do not approve of is certain hypocrisy, and as a sensible man yourself, I am sure you will agree.

One cannot cry 'copyright' when one breaches copyright oneself. If one cries 'Lawyer' they have to follow through. Lets be fair would you follow through with a case that could run into tens of thousands? A case that you may likely lose? Would it be sensible? Many would suggest that would be doubtful.

Additionally ,one cannot cry VOC is 'no longer a car forum because all it talks about is off topic non car subjects' when that same ''one'' and or others is are a member of or is are a runner and or member of another forum that engages in similar 'non car subjects'.

What many really have problems with is hypocrisy, and that applies to people that are probably friends and people that are not. I, myself am neutral. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy. You know me, I tell it as it is. Fair is fair.

I never post rubbish. Everything I post has meaning. Yes you know it. Keep calm Keith.

Trusting all is well with the health of your wife, and things are beginning to look up.

All the best.

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