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Air pollution - who's the worst particulate polluter?

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Old Jan 18th, 2018, 00:43   #1
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Default Air pollution - who's the worst particulate polluter?

From Der Spiegel:

Where the air is dirtiest:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-international


First question:

Particulate matter has myriad sources.
What do you think is the primary source of particulate matter in Germany?



This might very well be exactly the same in the UK - i.e. - it is not the cars (read diesel cars) that are the main polluters - as many have also suggested here in various threads.


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Traffic 16,323 votes
Agriculture 5,877 votes
Industry 20,329 Votes - and my selection...

Correct, industrial processes produce the greatest share of particulate matter (42 percent) in Germany, according to the Federal Environment Agency, with metalwork being the primary culprit. In second place is agriculture (23 percent) followed by traffic (15 percent), with tire, brake and clutch friction responsible for more than vehicle exhaust.
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It's also petrol cars that emit more particulate matte now, rather than diesels.
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Never let the truth get in the way of a green bandwagon though, and an opportunity to generate more motoring taxes.
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It's also petrol cars that emit more particulate matte now, rather than diesels.
Diesels emit more of the dangerous stuff though....

Dirty things diesels.
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Diesels emit more of the dangerous stuff though....

Dirty things diesels.
Facts, please
Numbers, test references..
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Facts are there for all to see...seek and you will find, I only use a spoon to feed myself !

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New research published in Scientific Reports investigates whether gasoline cars produce more carbonaceous particulate matter than modern filter-equipped diesel cars.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-03714-9

Indeed the facts are there! Petrols produce more harmful particulate matter than DPF equipped diesels.
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So...
As I suspected..
Another case of Scientific Report versus DailyMail..

Keep on going
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Petrol, diesel, whatever, its all a smokescreen (sorry!) to give an excuse to raise tax.

The London mayor has started already. Not by banning vehicles (which would in theory remove pollution, but only to somewhere else) but by raising revenue.

Obvious where the priorities lie.
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Petrol, diesel, whatever, its all a smokescreen (sorry!) to give an excuse to raise tax.

The London mayor has started already. Not by banning vehicles (which would in theory remove pollution, but only to somewhere else) but by raising revenue.

Obvious where the priorities lie.
Of course.
I'm not denying any of this.
But it gets on my nerve when I see people slanting diesels when they themselves don't know why..

Sure, I could (provided that I won lottery or something) pay off few newspapers and TV stations to start spreading information that elephants are bad as they feed on human scalps and we need to exterminate them.
But would that be true?
And yet I have that feeling that lots and lots of folk would believe it.
Repeat it. Spread it..

Really makes me sad.

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It gets on my nerve when people are slanting ANYTHING that they don't know much about.. Or don't understand.

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