Engine swap

tuning_redblock · Jun 19th, 2006, 13:33

hello one and all, some of you may know of my project Tulip, this question relates to her new engine I want to install.

I have just been given a B reg 240 GLT from fellow member Maddie (MAD MAX) and I want to know if I can put the 2.3 injection engine from that into my 240 GL estate 89 F plate?

also which is the most powerful of the 2.3 engines?

Jun 19th, 2006, 13:38

what engine codes are they? most of the details are on the RWD FAQ once you have the engine code.

chris m · Jun 19th, 2006, 17:10

Poweroutput? Spot on with the GLT! It's B230E engine was the "top of the range", just the very early GLT's with B23E engines had a slightly meaner cam.

Will the engine fit? Yes, the block itself perfectly will BUT has your estate a carb or fuel injection? If it's a carb and you would like to use the injection system from the GLT there is a lot of work to be done, wiringwise and a returnpipe to the tank. Maybe it would be easier to fit two fat twincarbs (power and appetite for fuel will increase, the first slightly, the latter significantly).

If your estate is injected, it's more or less a straightforward swap. I'm not sure if the electronic injection (enginecode F) was fitted to F reg cars in the UK, but you could fit that injection system straight away to the block from your GLT, just one tempsensor needs to be recoiled.

Cheers, Chris

chris m · Jun 19th, 2006, 17:16

Just forgot: The B23E/B230E was just the most powerful 2.3 liter originally fitted to the 240. The 16V or turbos fitted to the 700/900s provide even more go, but they won't fit your 240 without some modifications.

Cheers, Chris

tuning_redblock · Jun 19th, 2006, 18:03

Hello Chris and thanks for that.
My estate is an injection B200E auto estate,

The donar I want to take parts from is:
a B reg 2.3 B23 injection engine (silver top) auto saloon.

I want to know if I can just take out and drop in and match up the plugs on the harness'es?

Mike_Brace · Jun 19th, 2006, 23:00

The B23 will bolt straight in (this engine is not quite so free revving as the B230) - there are some differences in the plugs on some of the sensors but easily overcome if you have both engine looms. You have to use the GLT power steering pump as the block does not have the mountings for the later pump. to gain full benefits of the engine it pays to fit the GLT axle from a 5 speed manual (about 87? on) as it is higher geared.

Mike

tuning_redblock · Jun 20th, 2006, 08:17

Thanks Mike, I have one of those in the shed off my 89 GLT saloon donor,

So the consensus is that I can take out the B23E out of the B reg with the loom and drop it into the F reg B200E engine bay, then swap the axle for a later GLT manual one, and then swap the gearbox for a 5 speed manual (I already have all the parts ready)

Is that ok everyone?

chris m · Jun 20th, 2006, 10:17

Yes, should be easy like that!

The one thing I don't know about is the rear axle thing. My '90 245 GL, M47, B230E (from '89 GLT) fitted with LH 2.4 Jetronic (from original '90 B200F) uses the original rear axle (unfortunately I don't know its ratio) and combined with 195/65 15 tyres I'm very pleased with it. The car outruns the speedo at 5000 RPM (on the german Autobahn only, of course) and is fairly quick of the mark. With a longer rear axle I would be afraid of slower acceleration, especially when the car is loaded for our holidays.

But maybe the GLT axle gives a similar overall gearing with 196/60 15 tyres fitted (as original).

Good luck with the swap and keep us updated how things are going, Chris

dgbalfour · Jun 20th, 2006, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris m

B230E (from '89 GLT) fitted with LH 2.4 Jetronic (from original '90 B200F)

Interesting! I've thought a bit about doing this, how easy was it to achieve? Simpler than swapping over the GLT looms into the new car, or not?

I have no experience (yet) of the B230E, but I imagine you had to add some sensors to it to make the 2.4 Jetronic work?

David

ALLOA · Jun 20th, 2006, 19:00

I've just completed puting an 'F' reg GLT engine and loom into my Torslanda. I could never get a consensus on whethEr I could take the Jetronic injection off the Torslanda engine, bolt it onto the GLT engine and then run. In the end I swapped over the loom as well (time consuming but not difficult) The only trouble that I had was that the ignition barrel on the Torslanda was different to the GLT meaning that I had to get a little electrical work carried out. Other than that it has been well worth the effort.

Post on this should only be a few weeks back in the forum.

Best of luck!

S

Jun 19th, 2006, 13:33	#1
tuning_redblock Grrrrrrrrrrreat Member Last Online: Aug 31st, 2009 21:30 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: alfreton View Photos By: tuning_redblock	Engine swap hello one and all, some of you may know of my project Tulip, this question relates to her new engine I want to install. I have just been given a B reg 240 GLT from fellow member Maddie (MAD MAX) and I want to know if I can put the 2.3 injection engine from that into my 240 GL estate 89 F plate? also which is the most powerful of the 2.3 engines?

Jun 19th, 2006, 23:00	#6
Mike_Brace Former contributor Last Online: Jul 2nd, 2022 07:54 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Rhosgoch, Anglesey	The B23 will bolt straight in (this engine is not quite so free revving as the B230) - there are some differences in the plugs on some of the sensors but easily overcome if you have both engine looms. You have to use the GLT power steering pump as the block does not have the mountings for the later pump. to gain full benefits of the engine it pays to fit the GLT axle from a 5 speed manual (about 87? on) as it is higher geared. Mike __________________ A Volvo is for life not just for Christmas!

Jun 20th, 2006, 19:00	#10
ALLOA Master Member Last Online: Apr 25th, 2024 16:21 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ALLOA	Engine Swap I've just completed puting an 'F' reg GLT engine and loom into my Torslanda. I could never get a consensus on whethEr I could take the Jetronic injection off the Torslanda engine, bolt it onto the GLT engine and then run. In the end I swapped over the loom as well (time consuming but not difficult) The only trouble that I had was that the ignition barrel on the Torslanda was different to the GLT meaning that I had to get a little electrical work carried out. Other than that it has been well worth the effort. Post on this should only be a few weeks back in the forum. Best of luck! S

Jun 19th, 2006, 13:38	#2
general_joe Guest Location:	what engine codes are they? most of the details are on the RWD FAQ once you have the engine code.

Jun 19th, 2006, 17:10	#3
chris m Member Last Online: Mar 22nd, 2024 16:39 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: York	Poweroutput? Spot on with the GLT! It's B230E engine was the "top of the range", just the very early GLT's with B23E engines had a slightly meaner cam. Will the engine fit? Yes, the block itself perfectly will BUT has your estate a carb or fuel injection? If it's a carb and you would like to use the injection system from the GLT there is a lot of work to be done, wiringwise and a returnpipe to the tank. Maybe it would be easier to fit two fat twincarbs (power and appetite for fuel will increase, the first slightly, the latter significantly). If your estate is injected, it's more or less a straightforward swap. I'm not sure if the electronic injection (enginecode F) was fitted to F reg cars in the UK, but you could fit that injection system straight away to the block from your GLT, just one tempsensor needs to be recoiled. Cheers, Chris

Jun 19th, 2006, 17:16	#4
chris m Member Last Online: Mar 22nd, 2024 16:39 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: York	Just forgot: The B23E/B230E was just the most powerful 2.3 liter originally fitted to the 240. The 16V or turbos fitted to the 700/900s provide even more go, but they won't fit your 240 without some modifications. Cheers, Chris

Jun 19th, 2006, 18:03	#5
tuning_redblock Grrrrrrrrrrreat Member Last Online: Aug 31st, 2009 21:30 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: alfreton View Photos By: tuning_redblock	Hello Chris and thanks for that. My estate is an injection B200E auto estate, The donar I want to take parts from is: a B reg 2.3 B23 injection engine (silver top) auto saloon. I want to know if I can just take out and drop in and match up the plugs on the harness'es?

Jun 20th, 2006, 08:17	#7
tuning_redblock Grrrrrrrrrrreat Member Last Online: Aug 31st, 2009 21:30 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: alfreton View Photos By: tuning_redblock	Thanks Mike, I have one of those in the shed off my 89 GLT saloon donor, So the consensus is that I can take out the B23E out of the B reg with the loom and drop it into the F reg B200E engine bay, then swap the axle for a later GLT manual one, and then swap the gearbox for a 5 speed manual (I already have all the parts ready) Is that ok everyone?

Jun 20th, 2006, 10:17	#8
chris m Member Last Online: Mar 22nd, 2024 16:39 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: York	Yes, should be easy like that! The one thing I don't know about is the rear axle thing. My '90 245 GL, M47, B230E (from '89 GLT) fitted with LH 2.4 Jetronic (from original '90 B200F) uses the original rear axle (unfortunately I don't know its ratio) and combined with 195/65 15 tyres I'm very pleased with it. The car outruns the speedo at 5000 RPM (on the german Autobahn only, of course) and is fairly quick of the mark. With a longer rear axle I would be afraid of slower acceleration, especially when the car is loaded for our holidays. But maybe the GLT axle gives a similar overall gearing with 196/60 15 tyres fitted (as original). Good luck with the swap and keep us updated how things are going, Chris

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