1.6 D2 a complete load of tut??

[GrahamBrown1]

I've been browsing the forum lately and it seems quite a few people are having issues with the 1.6 D2. Whether that be in a v40 or v60 etc. As far as I understand it's a ford/psa unit similar to what was used in s40 v50 and the tails of woe from that side of the forum are endless. Now it's replaced with the VEA but there are loads of D2s around. Are they really that bad I mean from what I've read I wouldn't have one. Injectors failing at less than 20k miles sounds like a ford to me....

[NigelDay]

I had a 2009 V50 DRIVe. It was a bit slow - seemed to be somewhat strangulated compared to my heavier and similar powered 1997 Passat TDi. Also less economical. Yes, this was strange. The required DPF replacement at 72k miles was a bit of a (financial) shock.

[steadvex]

they are fine as long as you service them and replace the DPF filter when required, if you don't then expect big repair bills later on.

for what its worth the newer D2's have a better DPF system that doesn't require replacing the filters ever 72k, I think its from 2012 onwards.

Ignoring the dpf can result in some nasty bills, worst case, dpf, sensors, pipes, egr & turbo failure. for the sake of around £300 fitted just change the dpf on time and you should be fine

[NigelDay]

Originally Posted by steadvex

they are fine as long as you service them and replace the DPF filter when required, if you don't then expect big repair bills later on.

for what its worth the newer D2's have a better DPF system that doesn't require replacing the filters ever 72k, I think its from 2012 onwards.

Ignoring the dpf can result in some nasty bills, worst case, dpf, sensors, pipes, egr & turbo failure. for the sake of around £300 fitted just change the dpf on time and you should be fine

I think £300 is not a main dealer price for a 1.6 litre DPF. I was charged over twice this in 2012 !

[steadvex]

Originally Posted by NigelDay

I think £300 is not a main dealer price for a 1.6 litre DPF. I was charged over twice this in 2012 !

They have come down a bit, but that price is based on a specialist instead of a dealer, and er approximately

[GrahamHR]

I never understood the mindset leading to buying a of heavy car with a small /low powered diesel ( or an even smaller turbo petrol engine). .

Better to get the bigger engine and due to gearing, in effect drive it gently at the same speeds the smaller engined cars are being thrashed at.

[Familyman 90]

Originally Posted by steadvex

they are fine as long as you service them and replace the DPF filter when required, if you don't then expect big repair bills later on.

for what its worth the newer D2's have a better DPF system that doesn't require replacing the filters ever 72k, I think its from 2012 onwards.

Ignoring the dpf can result in some nasty bills, worst case, dpf, sensors, pipes, egr & turbo failure. for the sake of around £300 fitted just change the dpf on time and you should be fine

This. One of my lasses had a Peugeot 308 with the same unit, and being the crotchety old duffer I am I nagged her persistently about maintenance, and how its cheaper in the long run to do it proprly and on time.

It managed 303,000 miles before the gearbox died (180 mile a day commute - don't worry, they were paying her very well for it), and up until that point had suffered no breakdowns of any kind.

Thats not to say the engine is infallible - far from it - but when playing poker one must consider every card deck if one wishes to win.

The other issue is one of sheer numbers. This family of engines is far and away the most produced passenger car diesel in the world, so just out of sheer numbers plenty of problems will rise to the surface.

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by Familyman 90

The other issue is one of sheer numbers. This family of engines is far and away the most produced passenger car diesel in the world, so just out of sheer numbers plenty of problems will rise to the surface.

Indeed, it's in Peugeot, Citroen, Ford, Volvo, Suzuki, and BMW Mini.

If someone had sad to you in 1994 (when the 240 was still produced) that one day you could buy Volvo's biggest estate with the same engine as a Mini.....?

[NI_Volvo_Nut]

I may be repeating whats already been said, the D2 seems to be a slightly modified version of the older 1.6HDi, they suffer injector issues, turbo issues and the biggest of all, cracking the wet liners!
Avoid them at all costs.

[Clan]

Originally Posted by GrahamBrown1

I've been browsing the forum lately and it seems quite a few people are having issues with the 1.6 D2. Whether that be in a v40 or v60 etc. As far as I understand it's a ford/psa unit similar to what was used in s40 v50 and the tails of woe from that side of the forum are endless. Now it's replaced with the VEA but there are loads of D2s around. Are they really that bad I mean from what I've read I wouldn't have one. Injectors failing at less than 20k miles sounds like a ford to me....

The D2 is fine if looked after properly ... It had a high precision fuel control system to keep the emissions clean and 2 valves per cylinder and 2 bar boost!