Advice on buying brand new xc90

[MaDProFF]

it is the unknown into inconvenience remember OP planning to keep the car for quite a while, resale, cost of diesel.

There is already a surcharge in areas in London, and that is suppose to be enlarged to South /North Circular and eventually M25 I bet.

[Bendolfc]

But that same surcharge also applies to petrols, although granted ULEZ is E4 for petrol and E6 for diesel.

Going forward though the emission limits for petrols and diesel aren't too dissimilar in E6 so they are likely to converge in punishing all types of ICE together.

[XC90Mk1]

Originally Posted by MaDProFF

it is the unknown into inconvenience remember OP planning to keep the car for quite a while, resale, cost of diesel.

There is already a surcharge in areas in London, and that is suppose to be enlarged to South /North Circular and eventually M25 I bet.

Firstly thank you to everyone who has commented and given advice, I appreciate it.


Unfortunately I have to comment regarding MadProffs post. Madproff, about 2 or so days ago I would have disagreed with your assessment. I want a large vehicle with 7 seats, I don't go to London, and frankly the T8 wont suit the 90 mile a day commute I do (lack of input) and the petrol would be too expensive.

Unfortunately however you are right (In my view). When It comes to signing on the dotted line for a £45,000 car and you start reading about Diesel Surcharges, RED additional charges in 2020 and 2021 and the government sentiment it changes your outlook.


I worked a lot for the 45K and frankly whilst I am fortunate to have it I would intend on keeping the car at least 5 years if not 6 or 7 (I cant change cars of that value more often). I would not have hesitated even 12 months ago but now I feel that the future is so uncertain I cant commit that money.

The sad thing is I stand by my comments that a petrol/electric XC90 is not suitable for my driving so instead of driving a 158co2 Euro 6 clean diesel I will continue with my much more polluting 2012 version.

It really is disappointing and I think the Government need to be clearer on their stratergy. I am sure others will read this post and think I am crazy but its really sobering when you look at signing on the dotted linne!

Thanks again all!

[XC90Mk1]

Originally Posted by jonnyu

Well on a 50k buy, 10% is not relevant since you are looking at a proper XC90 with a chassis that will allow you to go offroad.
But if the offroad component is not important for you, just scrap the Inscription Pro, use the normal Inscription as a base add the extras I've mentioned and you can have almost the same configuration for around 46-47k.

To be fair the Mk1 I have has proven pretty unstoppable of road ,even with 800Kg in the back.

That said if I ever get to the point at which I need additional clearance (remembering that the air suspension does nothing to raise the lowest and most critical part of the car, the Differentials) then I would at that stage get a Defender or such like rather than do really serious off roading in a £50,000 plus vehicle.

Interesting points you make however!

Thanks

[S60D5-185]

I think that if you have a well sorted 2012 XC90 that you like then I would keep it.

Bearing in mind that most cars spend something like 95% of the time idle, to my mind it's a no brainer tying £40+K up in one.


I realise that if people didn't buy new cars then I couldn't get a nice used one so I'm not having a sideswipe at new car buyers per se.


Some of my friends regularly change their 1-2 year old BMW or Audi for another new one and often say to me jokingly why don't you get something newer?


They haven't grasped the fact that there is a huge difference between buying a new car like theirs ( I easily could ) and actually wanting to ( I don't)

[AB-UK]

Originally Posted by S60D5-185

They haven't grasped the fact that there is a huge difference between buying a new car like theirs ( I easily could ) and actually wanting to ( I don't)

Tee Hee!

[jonnyu]

Originally Posted by XC90Mk1

The sad thing is I stand by my comments that a petrol/electric XC90 is not suitable for my driving so instead of driving a 158co2 Euro 6 clean diesel I will continue with my much more polluting 2012 version.

Come on, don't give up like that

Look being practical the main thing is the following: the car industry is one of the pillars of any country's economy.
They are talking about these measures, it's true but the question is at what extent they will be set in place.
As it was already pointed out here, the new hybrid solutions or full electric ones don't come cheap neither at the same price as the current Diesel or Petrol models. It will take years to have production costs that will have these cars at the same sale price as current combustion engine ones.

Yes your car will lose value. But if you compare the value of your current car with the new XC90 you will buy with the same amount of time, you may lose more 10 or 15% then you would expect. Buying now a car does not mean that in 4 or 5 years it's value is 0 or a infinite margin of it's original cost because that's not how economy works.
If that ever happened, the new car sales would immediately drop by a huge margin no matter if they are EV or PHEV since people would start to wait much longer to buy the latest model fearing additional changes like the ones everyone is afraid right now (but didn't happen yet)

Another reason why this will take some time: Production lines are not prepared for the upcoming demand. Right now the T8 has huge delays, having the segment with new cheaper options will cause a boom on the search and we already saw the effects of that search with the Tesla model 3. We are talking about mode than 10 months of delivery time.
So again, all of this is really happening but it will be a process that will take some time and it wont affect the resale value of your car in the next 4 to 5 years.

[volvocamper]

I decided this time last year that i wanted a new XC90 D5 (caravan towing duties hence diesel rather than petrol + I just like diesel power).
I did not want to lay out £60k plus did not like uncertainty of value after 4 years so continued down the Personall Contract Hire route. This way I know what i am going to pay for it (basically the depreciation which I would get if i bought it (but the cash leaves the bank gradually so I can still use it as I wish), I am not concerned abt value after 4 years, the contract hire company pay the RFL, i know when it will be changed so no dilemma over do i keep it another year or not. Yes I will never own it but I dont want to - I want to have full use of it for 4 years and then have a new one.
This is the 4th car i have financed via PCH and 2nd XC90 so I do understand how these PCH deals work (in my mind less uncertainty than pcp and I have found lower in cost over the 4 years too)

[MaDProFF]

OP you state T8 not suitable for my 90 mile commute? is that a round trip commute?

I am Curious

What sort of round trip is it, if 90 mile to the same place, (all motorway? any chance you can charge car at work place everyday?

Are you willing to play a little with battery management?

Too many people in my view seem to state how bad fuel consumption is in a T8, people who do not drive them everyday, yes if 90% motorway, than I might agree, but if you are driving on A roads in traffic and in towns etc. having to follow traffic flow at general speed limit speeds you will be surprised how good a T8 can be, sure they can be bad, but then they can be better than you think.

I do not live in London, but still in the 12.5k miles I have done in 8 months near still on 57.6 MPG it dups down on long fast journeys, but the other journeys it comes back up, although a few of my journeys are like 35 to 40 mile round trips, but even 60+ mile trips into London and back still return from 43 mpg to 50+ and I might add I tend to drive at the upper limit of speed limits, to point of not getting a ban if you know what I mean, certainly faster than most people on the road.

Just please do not dismiss a T8 so easy.

[Haldex]

Originally Posted by XC90Mk1

The sad thing is I stand by my comments that a petrol/electric XC90 is not suitable for my driving so instead of driving a 158co2 Euro 6 clean diesel I will continue with my much more polluting 2012 version.

Yup, and many people reason the same way.. And as a result of the antidiesel hysteria the CO2 emissions went up.