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Can you strip out the LPG to make way for CNG?

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Old Oct 8th, 2012, 09:14   #31
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Please do tell me more about the HHO systems you sell, after reading that PDF I'm intrigued, especially since the PDF states that the system is designed to reduce emissions not improve fuel economy. In fact it actually states that it needs to run the system largely on KERS harvested energy to avoid increasing fuel consumption.

Please note that if your system turns out to be two electrodes in a jar of water+electrolyte which is powered by the alternator then I'm going to be very disappointed. I'm expecting a full-house KERS powered system here using advanced membrane electrolyser technology, since that's what you linked to.
Appologies for the delay in replying, I thought I would be able to reply from my new (not so) smart phone ( hands like boxing gloves!) Whilst I was away!

The PDF I posted was to show that there are other companys using similar technology, to harvest Hydrogen from onboard the vehicles, My intention was to highlight that it is possible and not to miss lead, The PDF uses water not Electrolyte and as a result will need more power, The systems that I supply and fit Do Not have a KERS system, Nor is there a glass jar, The dry cell is manufactured using titanium / 316L stainless steel alloy plates and a good electolyte is used, and power is provided from the alternator, the Dry cell will provide up to 5.5 litres per minuite of HHO.
On the last tank of fuel that I used before installing HHO on my V70 D5, I travelled 525 miles, full tank to fuel light, and on similar roads at similar speeds, I have just had 670 miles and the fuel light came on once at the pump, I am happy with the results on my car!
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Old Oct 8th, 2012, 10:04   #32
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I would advise you not to believe a word oof that. HHO is a pack of lies, the only marginal benefit it can possibly give is by causing the car to run too lean, which saves fuel at the expense of power and possibly damage to the cars systems

HHO salesmen - or as they are correctly know, fraudsters, have been targeting LPG conversion markets recently, this is an example.

HHO fuelling is itself a fraudulent term, all the water (HHO is just another way of referring to water, H x 2 (2 x hydroogen) to 1 x O (oxygen) - IE H2O) stays as water, none of it is converted to energy directly, the only benefit of HHO that can be proven is when iit is used in high compression turbo or supercharged engines as it acts as an anti-knocking agent and allows a cleaner burn in the same way that increased fuel octane does.

Which of course isnt possible in non-supercharged / turbocharged cars
Annd of course the only times that water injection has been proven to work in cars, even turbo/supercharged ones, is when the water is heavily adulterated wiith methanol, which is an alcohol based fuel. Straight water-injection doesnt save fuel at all except by , as stated above, forcing the engine to run too lean

I am quite happy to risk being sued for libel in stating that this man is a liar and a fraudster and is trying to lead you towards buying a system that cannot possibly work as it violates underlying laws of physics

If he wishes to sue me i will provide my contact details willingly by PM and in court i will utterly destroy him
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Old Oct 8th, 2012, 11:17   #33
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If you look into Bumble Bees they beat there wings upto 200 times per second! how could you even count that? It's no wonder Antoine Magnan (1881-1938) came to the conclusions that he did!

I hope this is some help,Jay
Certainly so Jay.

If the idea of counting to 200 times a second scares you, I hope you don't intend to install any systems on bike engines, which do just that (at 12,000rpm). Maybe they too defy the laws of physics and shouldn't run like bumble bees shouldn't fly? Similarly the oscillator that runs your phone or computer at roughly 10,000 times fast than that.

Anyhow, I'd like you to read rule 6 of the forum rules you agreed to when you signed up.
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I'm myself am looking forward to the "answering genuine technical questions" part. I really do wish to see the maths and science behind this proved.
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