V70 - Advice please on best LPG System to Fit

Avroflyer1 · Mar 4th, 2016, 13:47

Hi guys
I am looking at having an LPG conversion to a 2008 2.5l turbo V70. Can anyone advise on what would be the best system to fit?
Simple question but big step!
Cheers
John M

CNGBiFuel · Mar 6th, 2016, 01:20

Easy. You already took the BIGGEST step, you just didn't see it when you did it. LPG kits add nothing to a car's value, see Autotrader and see for yourself. Thus...

Don't fit any.

Rant///
The best and sweetest system, liek anything, is the one you didn't pay for. Am I correct, you were intending to do thsi to save money? You'll find one already fitted to your car's equivelant. It'll cost you no more than your current car is worth. If you'd been thinking, that'd be the car you already have now. Work this way and you'll be up £1400-2000ish before you start. Thus it'll not take 18 months, come two years of driving around to break even on the conversion. You'll save money off the bat. Now.

So why carry the cost and the inherent risks and the hit for that break-even period, when some fool has been the idiot for you? That idiot put mindless 'good money after bad'. So, unless there's another reason for doing this, pray tell... ie the same reasons the 'fool' has now for selling his converted car, don't fit any. To spin it round, why do you want to fit a kit? You've alrady tacitly admitted it here, hence the first stage in this is to admit to yourself, [rather than the likes of us] you've paid your hard-earned for, and I'm sorry, the wrong car, for the wrong reasons. So, you're already wildly on the wrong path. In the worst of both worlds, not saving money and facing a dubious bill to do so.

//RANT.

On the otherhand perhaps I should shut-up. I must now retract the above. So... not to appear too harsh, let me herald my undying love for you, you see i need you more than you need me. I need people with your mindset. Where do you think i will get my cars from? When your car has lost its registration snob-value, you'll be bored, and unload a perfectly decent car in 2-4 years. It will sit with 12K pa + high-days and holidays mileage. There at its mileage/deprecaition sweet-spot. Only, unless I shut-up, it'll not have that lovely LPG conversion for sod all.

And that'd never do

Avroflyer1 · Mar 6th, 2016, 09:38

Aye, well, I read your rant and not rant, read it again, went and had a cup of tea and came back and read it again.
Can't quite make it fit the facts so perhaps I should elaborate a bit.
Current car is a 2003 v40 Bifuel. Great car, runs on a sixpence, 170,000 miles of which I've done 120,000. Touch wood would like to see her over 200,000. However want to do more caravanning and she struggles a bit with the weight.
In with a chance to get the afore mentioned 2.5l V70 which isn't yet converted - still petrol - but I've heard and read that the big 5cyl low pressure turbo is strong and makes a good LPG conversion.
I love LPG and reckon the V70 would tow like a dream and wouldn't be that much heavier on gas than the V40.
Alles gut, alles klar?
Hope that helps. Loved the rant, by the way and love you too :-) !
Are you now as confused as I was?
Cheers. Looking forward to the next instalment!
John M

girlracer · Mar 6th, 2016, 09:56

Clearly you will need a injection type LPG system.

With yours being a 2008 model it will need to be fitted with flashlube oiling system to protect the valves.

On T5's I have had I have had an OMVL system fitted and on more recent cars Europegas.

Whatever system you get make sure it can be serviced wherever you are likely to go. Some makes are limited to just a few garages

CNGBiFuel · Mar 7th, 2016, 00:11

Ahhh. well now. Silly boy. Why didn't you say?! If you've nto bought the 'kin thing, then for chrissakes don't. If your heart desireth such a car, as I said, find one already done. Why fixate on any particaulr car and then its conversion? I'd read my missive a third time if I were you.

Provided you are prepared to delay flashing your wallet, you'll get the car you wanted with it already gassed-up, and for the same kind of price as non-gassed. I can assure you there is never any hurry to buy a used car, used cars are like sh*t and idiots, there's never a shortage of either. Sit tight and if the first is not right, another'll be along. That's how it is with cars. Because they're a vanity-purchase, there's always be more cars than schmucks to buy them.

In the meantime do you homework, so that when a likely candidate comes up, you have a clue. Then rather than spend your cash on conversion, if you really aren't sure what you're looking at, take classicswede or one of his ilk along to run over it for you. Your local LPG guy can then give it a service if you're not up to it. All for way less than total fitment.

LPG blokes generally know theri way round cars, they have to, so dropping him £50-100 will likley be worth it long-term. And if he knows he's got to make the thing run sweet, he'll not let you buy any pup.

htomi · Mar 7th, 2016, 14:02

Go with PRINS or STAG system,spare wheel tank and let it done by a certified installer/garage with warranty. But.. before you do any steps further, do the homework and ensure you not going to face with any fuel pressure related errors after conversion - switching between fuel types.

classicswede · Mar 7th, 2016, 15:51

It will most likely need a fuel return or working emulator on that age.

Prins can be more prone to VSR than most other systems but the hardware of the system is good (vapouriser and injectors)

Sad ac · Mar 8th, 2016, 14:28

I have a "Stag" and a BRC with flashlube, would go BRC again.

Avroflyer1 · Mar 13th, 2016, 09:09

Well, Mr CNGBiFuel, Your dulcit tones have finally registered - buy one already done. Sound advice, if one comes along, although I would like a few years at least out of it and any I've seen have been rare and well into six-figure mileage :-(
I will observe the market more closely....

Mr Classic - what's "VSR"? LPG I like but Acronyms I hate!

Htomi - are the fuel pressure related errors to which you refer, peculiar to the type of system, or the V70 model type, or the standard of the installation or...? Please elaborate!

Many questions I know but I am trying to do my momework!

Thanks to all. All advice is welcome!!

Avroflyer1 · Mar 13th, 2016, 09:19

Ah - found it. VSR=Valve Seat Regression. Big no-no for VW air cooled conversions for aero use...
Carry on doing the homework, Avroflyer...

Mar 4th, 2016, 13:47	#1
Avroflyer1 Junior Member Last Online: Apr 2nd, 2024 23:04 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Holt, North Norfolk	V70 - Advice please on best LPG System to Fit Hi guys I am looking at having an LPG conversion to a 2008 2.5l turbo V70. Can anyone advise on what would be the best system to fit? Simple question but big step! Cheers John M

Mar 6th, 2016, 01:20	#2
CNGBiFuel Classic P80 1999 BiFuel Last Online: Mar 6th, 2024 00:34 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: 48mph Middle Lane M4	Easy. You already took the BIGGEST step, you just didn't see it when you did it. LPG kits add nothing to a car's value, see Autotrader and see for yourself. Thus... Don't fit any. Rant/// The best and sweetest system, liek anything, is the one you didn't pay for. Am I correct, you were intending to do thsi to save money? You'll find one already fitted to your car's equivelant. It'll cost you no more than your current car is worth. If you'd been thinking, that'd be the car you already have now. Work this way and you'll be up £1400-2000ish before you start. Thus it'll not take 18 months, come two years of driving around to break even on the conversion. You'll save money off the bat. Now. So why carry the cost and the inherent risks and the hit for that break-even period, when some fool has been the idiot for you? That idiot put mindless 'good money after bad'. So, unless there's another reason for doing this, pray tell... ie the same reasons the 'fool' has now for selling his converted car, don't fit any. To spin it round, why do you want to fit a kit? You've alrady tacitly admitted it here, hence the first stage in this is to admit to yourself, [rather than the likes of us] you've paid your hard-earned for, and I'm sorry, the wrong car, for the wrong reasons. So, you're already wildly on the wrong path. In the worst of both worlds, not saving money and facing a dubious bill to do so. //RANT. On the otherhand perhaps I should shut-up. I must now retract the above. So... not to appear too harsh, let me herald my undying love for you, you see i need you more than you need me. I need people with your mindset. Where do you think i will get my cars from? When your car has lost its registration snob-value, you'll be bored, and unload a perfectly decent car in 2-4 years. It will sit with 12K pa + high-days and holidays mileage. There at its mileage/deprecaition sweet-spot. Only, unless I shut-up, it'll not have that lovely LPG conversion for sod all. And that'd never do __________________ Bifuel V70 Classic 1999 [The Old Grumpy in the Corner, "When I was a lad... blah, bl*dy blah."] Last edited by CNGBiFuel; Mar 6th, 2016 at 03:20.*

Mar 6th, 2016, 09:38	#3
Avroflyer1 Junior Member Last Online: Apr 2nd, 2024 23:04 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Holt, North Norfolk	From the old Grumpy in the other corner... Aye, well, I read your rant and not rant, read it again, went and had a cup of tea and came back and read it again. Can't quite make it fit the facts so perhaps I should elaborate a bit. Current car is a 2003 v40 Bifuel. Great car, runs on a sixpence, 170,000 miles of which I've done 120,000. Touch wood would like to see her over 200,000. However want to do more caravanning and she struggles a bit with the weight. In with a chance to get the afore mentioned 2.5l V70 which isn't yet converted - still petrol - but I've heard and read that the big 5cyl low pressure turbo is strong and makes a good LPG conversion. I love LPG and reckon the V70 would tow like a dream and wouldn't be that much heavier on gas than the V40. Alles gut, alles klar? Hope that helps. Loved the rant, by the way and love you too :-) ! Are you now as confused as I was? Cheers. Looking forward to the next instalment! John M

Mar 7th, 2016, 00:11	#5
CNGBiFuel Classic P80 1999 BiFuel Last Online: Mar 6th, 2024 00:34 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: 48mph Middle Lane M4	Ahhh. well now. Silly boy. Why didn't you say?! If you've nto bought the 'kin thing, then for chrissakes don't. If your heart desireth such a car, as I said, find one already done. Why fixate on any particaulr car and then its conversion? I'd read my missive a third time if I were you. Provided you are prepared to delay flashing your wallet, you'll get the car you wanted with it already gassed-up, and for the same kind of price as non-gassed. I can assure you there is never any hurry to buy a used car, used cars are like sht and idiots, there's never a shortage of either. Sit tight and if the first is not right, another'll be along. That's how it is with cars. Because they're a vanity-purchase, there's always be more cars than schmucks to buy them. In the meantime do you homework, so that when a likely candidate comes up, you have a clue. Then rather than spend your cash on conversion, if you really aren't sure what you're looking at, take classicswede or one of his ilk along to run over it for you. Your local LPG guy can then give it a service if you're not up to it. All for way less than total fitment. LPG blokes generally know theri way round cars, they have to, so dropping him £50-100 will likley be worth it long-term. And if he knows he's got to make the thing run sweet, he'll not let you buy any pup. __________________ Bifuel V70 Classic 1999 [The Old Grumpy in the Corner, "When I was a lad... blah, bldy blah."] Last edited by CNGBiFuel; Mar 7th, 2016 at 00:24.*

Mar 7th, 2016, 15:51	#7
classicswede Trader Volvo in my veins Last Online: Today 14:21 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Anglesey	It will most likely need a fuel return or working emulator on that age. Prins can be more prone to VSR than most other systems but the hardware of the system is good (vapouriser and injectors) __________________ http://www.classicswede.org www.classicswede.co.uk

Mar 6th, 2016, 09:56	#4
girlracer Junior Member Last Online: Jun 2nd, 2016 21:26 Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: anglesey	Clearly you will need a injection type LPG system. With yours being a 2008 model it will need to be fitted with flashlube oiling system to protect the valves. On T5's I have had I have had an OMVL system fitted and on more recent cars Europegas. Whatever system you get make sure it can be serviced wherever you are likely to go. Some makes are limited to just a few garages

Mar 7th, 2016, 14:02	#6
htomi New Member Last Online: Jul 31st, 2017 12:33 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cork	Go with PRINS or STAG system,spare wheel tank and let it done by a certified installer/garage with warranty. But.. before you do any steps further, do the homework and ensure you not going to face with any fuel pressure related errors after conversion - switching between fuel types.

Mar 8th, 2016, 14:28	#8
Sad ac New Member Last Online: Jan 10th, 2022 17:43 Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Glasgow	I have a "Stag" and a BRC with flashlube, would go BRC again. __________________ XC90 D5, Mazda Bongo Camper, Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon, Suzuki GSX-R 750 As varied as my drinking escapades....

Mar 13th, 2016, 09:09	#9
Avroflyer1 Junior Member Last Online: Apr 2nd, 2024 23:04 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Holt, North Norfolk	Well, Mr CNGBiFuel, Your dulcit tones have finally registered - buy one already done. Sound advice, if one comes along, although I would like a few years at least out of it and any I've seen have been rare and well into six-figure mileage :-( I will observe the market more closely.... Mr Classic - what's "VSR"? LPG I like but Acronyms I hate! Htomi - are the fuel pressure related errors to which you refer, peculiar to the type of system, or the V70 model type, or the standard of the installation or...? Please elaborate! Many questions I know but I am trying to do my momework! Thanks to all. All advice is welcome!!

Mar 13th, 2016, 09:19	#10
Avroflyer1 Junior Member Last Online: Apr 2nd, 2024 23:04 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Holt, North Norfolk	Ah - found it. VSR=Valve Seat Regression. Big no-no for VW air cooled conversions for aero use... Carry on doing the homework, Avroflyer...

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