Hybrid Turbos by Dan Jones. Article No 5 in a Series by Experts in the Industry - Page 4

Oct 8th, 2005, 20:22

>I would like to point out i had a hybrid fitted to my
>Mitsubishi Starion in 1994 the reason i was told to do this,
>Is that the Mitsubishi units you couldn't get rebuild kits for
>them at the time, and the Garretts you can get all the parts
>and spares on the shelf in this country. as they are fully
>rebuildable,
>The firm that supplied me with my Garrett were Turbo Dynamics
>in Bournemouth.
>Also with the 19t it isn't just a case of having the turbo put
>on the car, you need to get another Downpipe and cat for your
>car to run this plus a new cat back, as the exhausts and DP's
>are different diametre also with the 19t it requires another
>map to stop the rods bending. as we have seen in many cases in
>the States.

Gary, we have made 19T hybrids that don't require the downpipes changing.

Adam.

Oct 8th, 2005, 20:34

>>We have only heard from one person on this forum who has
>>fitted the TT hybrid
>
>Soon to be two. And anyone who wishes to pit their RICA-mapped
>19T against me will be more than welcome.
>
>Regards
>Paul
>

If the turbo is as good as everyone claims it to be, it should provide superior performance to any 19T equipped car, no matter if it's RICA, TME, or whoever.

Adam.

sholtby · Oct 8th, 2005, 20:42

Is your car an auto or manual?
I look forward to reading how you get on!

Simon

foggyjames · Oct 9th, 2005, 00:21

Boy this thread makes amusing reading! Remember I made a thread a while ago about doing your research...;)

Positive manifold pressure is positive manifold pressure. The only variations worthy of note are what volume of air the turbo can pump at that pressure (ie: 10psi on a 15G is not the same as 10psi on a 19T in terms of the volume of air your engine is breathing), the temperature of the air pumped by the turbo (small, 'overworked' turbos superheat the charge air), and probably most pertinently here...WHEN it makes boost.

I think the TT article was laden with a bit too much marketting BS for my liking (as Adam picked up on)...not that we could ever accuse the FWD Volvo tuning companies of that ;) I'd LOVE to hear the reasoning behind the 'no CBV or BOV needed' sentiment, as that's not what I've heard! Having said all of that, Turbo Technics are the masters, so we have to tread respectfully...

We're looking at two (fundamentally) very similar products here. I'd say that a 19T and this Garrett hybrid are pretty evenly matched in terms of performance *for what people here need*...ie: a mild upgrade for a daily driven car. Garretts have a reputation for being better built, but the 19T is probably cheaper (and is the Garrett a direct fit?). Personally, I'd probably get the 19T, as it's the known course, and for a DD, that's the order of the day. Having said that, good luck to anyone who wants to do any differently...it'd be very boring if everyone had a 19T and a RICA map, although I imagine it'd suit Adam just fine :)

I certainly see no need for the poorly informed (in places) squabble going on above!

cheers

James
(Soon to be the owner of a proper manly turbo ;)...the kind that's totally useless unless strapped to a race engine, so it'll be a door-stop :))

Grizlyadams · Oct 9th, 2005, 00:30

>
>James
>(Soon to be the owner of a proper manly turbo ;)...the kind
>that's totally useless unless strapped to a race engine, so
>it'll be a door-stop :))

You mean abit like my mainly turbo's? :-) both mine would swollow the 19t alive ;-)
Griz

foggyjames · Oct 9th, 2005, 00:45

Not if it doesn't spool cos it's so huge it wont ;) :P Mine is going to be about the same size, but putting it anywhere near the B200 would be highly silly :)

cheers

James

sholtby · Oct 9th, 2005, 07:43

Griz,

I know you are very attached to your turbo but have you started sleeping with it? In your picture it looks like it is on the duvet and has consumed a glass of wine!

Smon

adieu · Oct 9th, 2005, 07:58

>Griz,
>
>I know you are very attached to your turbo but have you
>started sleeping with it? In your picture it looks like it is
>on the duvet and has consumed a glass of wine!
>
>Smon

Now that brings to mind some distressing pictures.......lol

foggyjames · Oct 9th, 2005, 08:24

>In your picture it looks like it is
>on the duvet and has consumed a glass of wine!

He's trying to seduce it :)

cheers

James

IC · Oct 9th, 2005, 12:22

Just to move away from seduction for a second :+ here is the link to the Turbotechnics website:

http://www.turbotechnics.com/docs/index.htm

Oct 8th, 2005, 20:22	#31
volvotuning Guest Location:	RE: TT turbo v Mitsubishi. >I would like to point out i had a hybrid fitted to my >Mitsubishi Starion in 1994 the reason i was told to do this, >Is that the Mitsubishi units you couldn't get rebuild kits for >them at the time, and the Garretts you can get all the parts >and spares on the shelf in this country. as they are fully >rebuildable, >The firm that supplied me with my Garrett were Turbo Dynamics >in Bournemouth. >Also with the 19t it isn't just a case of having the turbo put >on the car, you need to get another Downpipe and cat for your >car to run this plus a new cat back, as the exhausts and DP's >are different diametre also with the 19t it requires another >map to stop the rods bending. as we have seen in many cases in >the States. Gary, we have made 19T hybrids that don't require the downpipes changing. Adam.

Oct 8th, 2005, 20:34	#32
volvotuning Guest Location:	RE: TT turbo v Mitsubishi. >>We have only heard from one person on this forum who has >>fitted the TT hybrid > >Soon to be two. And anyone who wishes to pit their RICA-mapped >19T against me will be more than welcome. > >Regards >Paul > If the turbo is as good as everyone claims it to be, it should provide superior performance to any 19T equipped car, no matter if it's RICA, TME, or whoever. Adam.

Oct 8th, 2005, 20:42	#33
sholtby Premier Member Last Online: May 26th, 2010 20:17 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: north east	RE: TT turbo v Mitsubishi. Is your car an auto or manual? I look forward to reading how you get on! Simon

Oct 9th, 2005, 00:21	#34
foggyjames 300 Register Keeper Last Online: Apr 24th, 2024 09:13 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nottingham	RE: Hybrid Turbos by Dan Jones. Article No 5 in a Series by Experts in the Industry Boy this thread makes amusing reading! Remember I made a thread a while ago about doing your research...;) Positive manifold pressure is positive manifold pressure. The only variations worthy of note are what volume of air the turbo can pump at that pressure (ie: 10psi on a 15G is not the same as 10psi on a 19T in terms of the volume of air your engine is breathing), the temperature of the air pumped by the turbo (small, 'overworked' turbos superheat the charge air), and probably most pertinently here...WHEN it makes boost. I think the TT article was laden with a bit too much marketting BS for my liking (as Adam picked up on)...not that we could ever accuse the FWD Volvo tuning companies of that ;) I'd LOVE to hear the reasoning behind the 'no CBV or BOV needed' sentiment, as that's not what I've heard! Having said all of that, Turbo Technics are the masters, so we have to tread respectfully... We're looking at two (fundamentally) very similar products here. I'd say that a 19T and this Garrett hybrid are pretty evenly matched in terms of performance for what people here need...ie: a mild upgrade for a daily driven car. Garretts have a reputation for being better built, but the 19T is probably cheaper (and is the Garrett a direct fit?). Personally, I'd probably get the 19T, as it's the known course, and for a DD, that's the order of the day. Having said that, good luck to anyone who wants to do any differently...it'd be very boring if everyone had a 19T and a RICA map, although I imagine it'd suit Adam just fine :) I certainly see no need for the poorly informed (in places) squabble going on above! cheers James (Soon to be the owner of a proper manly turbo ;)...the kind that's totally useless unless strapped to a race engine, so it'll be a door-stop :)) __________________ VOC 300-series Register Keeper '13 V70 D4 SE Lux '89 740 Turbo Intercooler '88 360 Turbo Intercooler '84 360 GLT '81 343 GLS R-Sport '79 343 DL '70 164

Oct 9th, 2005, 00:30	#35
Grizlyadams RWD FTW!!! Last Online: Mar 19th, 2019 09:06 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Why should i have to tell you! View Photos By: Grizlyadams	RE: Hybrid Turbos by Dan Jones. Article No 5 in a Series by Experts in the Industry > >James >(Soon to be the owner of a proper manly turbo ;)...the kind >that's totally useless unless strapped to a race engine, so >it'll be a door-stop :)) You mean abit like my mainly turbo's? :-) both mine would swollow the 19t alive ;-) Griz

Oct 9th, 2005, 00:45	#36
foggyjames 300 Register Keeper Last Online: Apr 24th, 2024 09:13 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nottingham	RE: Hybrid Turbos by Dan Jones. Article No 5 in a Series by Experts in the Industry Not if it doesn't spool cos it's so huge it wont ;) :P Mine is going to be about the same size, but putting it anywhere near the B200 would be highly silly :) cheers James __________________ VOC 300-series Register Keeper '13 V70 D4 SE Lux '89 740 Turbo Intercooler '88 360 Turbo Intercooler '84 360 GLT '81 343 GLS R-Sport '79 343 DL '70 164

Oct 9th, 2005, 07:43	#37
sholtby Premier Member Last Online: May 26th, 2010 20:17 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: north east	RE: Hybrid Turbos by Dan Jones. Article No 5 in a Series by Experts in the Industry Griz, I know you are very attached to your turbo but have you started sleeping with it? In your picture it looks like it is on the duvet and has consumed a glass of wine! Smon

Oct 9th, 2005, 07:58	#38
adieu Master Member Last Online: Feb 5th, 2021 19:07 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: swindon	RE: Hybrid Turbos by Dan Jones. Article No 5 in a Series by Experts in the Industry >Griz, > >I know you are very attached to your turbo but have you >started sleeping with it? In your picture it looks like it is >on the duvet and has consumed a glass of wine! > >Smon Now that brings to mind some distressing pictures.......lol __________________ Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary… That’s what gets you. A turbo: Exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster

Oct 9th, 2005, 08:24	#39
foggyjames 300 Register Keeper Last Online: Apr 24th, 2024 09:13 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nottingham	RE: Hybrid Turbos by Dan Jones. Article No 5 in a Series by Experts in the Industry >In your picture it looks like it is >on the duvet and has consumed a glass of wine! He's trying to seduce it :) cheers James __________________ VOC 300-series Register Keeper '13 V70 D4 SE Lux '89 740 Turbo Intercooler '88 360 Turbo Intercooler '84 360 GLT '81 343 GLS R-Sport '79 343 DL '70 164

Oct 9th, 2005, 12:22	#40
IC S60R/V70R Last Online: Yesterday 11:54 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brumbeldore View Photos By: IC	RE: The Turbo Technics Website Just to move away from seduction for a second :+ here is the link to the Turbotechnics website: http://www.turbotechnics.com/docs/index.htm __________________ 2003 S60R 2003 V70R VOC Speed Challenge Champion 2007/08/Joint Winner 2009 Motor Sport Challenge Winner 2008/Joint Winner 2009

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