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XC60 D5 vs T8 Thoughts

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Old Feb 16th, 2019, 20:45   #11
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Have you tried the previous D5 AWD version, IMHO it is far better.

We have had two older style D5 AWD's and have also test drove the new style D5 AWD and T8. Interior finish and tech are slightly better on the new versions but the handling is wafty, it is the only word that describes it. The limited positive feedback from the steering even with the settings at their maximum is disappointing.

Our D5 AWD is coming to the end of its 5-year manufacturer's warranty this year, it is unlikely to be replaced by the latest XC60. A T6 AWD with improved steering feedback is not available. A pity that Volvo think they know best in the UK and limit what we are allowed to buy.
So where do you think you will be heading for your next car, or will you run the current one out of warranty?
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Air suspension is the same on all trims. Only the RD standard suspension setup is different- 30% stiffer springs and 10mm lower..
So between those two the air suspension is identical.

Why does the D5 R-Design on 21" wheels feel a lot more compliant/fluid than the T8 Inscription on 20" wheels - is it the extra weight from the hybrid batteries and motors? With the guesstimate that the T8 and D5 combustion engines roughly weigh the same?
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Old Feb 17th, 2019, 03:08   #13
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Interior finish and tech “slightly better”?? C’mon now.. ...
I’d also disagree on the steering feel/feedback. No volvo was ever a BMW...
That's the fun part about an opinion, everyone has a different one.
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So where do you think you will be heading for your next car, or will you run the current one out of warranty?
To be honest I am not sure. It has been the subject of too many discussions with my wife. The XC60 is low mileage, has been faultless apart from one seat module cover that has come adrift, no bodywork marks, just a couple of stone chips. The default option would be to get a third part mechanical and electrical warranty and run it for another few years. There are many different makes of cars that would suit now that our children are all grown up so we may swap it about a bit this time around as jobs and lifestyle has changed. Although I would like a refined but full throated, fire breathing, beast for myself, I fear to take my wife around the different forecourts because on paper many cars could do what we need and I fear I could end up with a Citroen Cactus, the only car with the pricks on the outside.
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That's the fun part about an opinion, everyone has a different one.
Ofcourse. But incidentally, literally all automotive journalists of today seem to share my opinion about new Volvo interiors.. Don’t forget that Robin Page, former Bentley interior designer, was brought to Volvo specifically to up the game.

The result is evident.



Not to say that this was a poor design:

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What was the second image?

Also any thoughts on my previous post?

Had a look on Volvo UK

The Inscription Pro only comes with either 20" or 22"

Whereas the R-Design Pro comes with either 21" or 22"

Would be nice to drive an R-Design Pro T8 with 21" wheels and see how that handles compared to my Inscription Pro T8 with 20" wheels.
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Ofcourse. But incidentally, literally all automotive journalists of today seem to share my opinion about new Volvo interiors.. ...[/IMG]
The design is great apart from the centre console but it was rather the actual finish and the tech that I believe is poorer.

The plastic quality in certain locations does seems harder and thinner, lots of movement in the centre console on both the cars I tried, although the seat module cover has finally been improved after who knows how many decades of the same design so there is a plus. The tech on both that I tried kept on resetting and would only remember a few of the stored changes from the default setting. I can understand why they are mimicking the way a phone operates on the touch screen but it’s a pain to operate when on the move. It is also slow to load and laggy, even more so that the V40 we have and that you have to wait for before you can reverse out of the drive because the rear-view camera and cross traffic sensors seem to be the last thing to start working.

Edit: It is far better than some of the competition, especially the drive by iPad look in the Merc.
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What was the second image?

Also any thoughts on my previous post?
It was a first gen XC60 interior shot- but it failed to display for some reason..

@ your previous post- I suppose it must be the extra weight + the lack of torque at the rear (electric quasi AWD clearly cannot keep up with the hp/torque of the ICE engine..)

@id5: true, the central screen takes some time to adjust to- but after you used the car for some time it becomes natural, believe me. The tablet-like interface is much more user friendly than widescreen. Steering wheel buttons in combo with voice commands do most of the job while driving- so no distraction whatsoever..

As for lagginess- it’s not general but rather related to what apps one uses and to internet connectivity. I have removed all but the factory installed apps and use all media apps (Spotify, TuneIn..) through Apple CarPlay- and I’ve never experienced any issues/lagginess with Sensus..
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Paddles standard on Design Pro, the main reason I went for the Design Pro.
Mine also has heated steering wheel.

I agree that the difference in power over the T5 and T8 is the reason why you get torque steer, the electric motor is not powerful enough to keep up with the front under full acceleration, and certainly a little worse with Polestar.

But tbh it is no worse than back in the day with hot hatch FWD just more lively and you have to be on the ball a bit more it does not bother me, fact is it is a very very fast car when you want it to be.
Hey mate, with you owning a T8 R-Design Pro with presumably 21" alloys - can you tell me how it handles (barring the front wheel power thing).

Mine can be quite floaty & crashy at the same time where the D5 R-Design Pro I am driving now (loan car) with 21" wheels as standard handles completely differently!
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Hey mate, with you owning a T8 R-Design Pro with presumably 21" alloys - can you tell me how it handles (barring the front wheel power thing).

Mine can be quite floaty & crashy at the same time where the D5 R-Design Pro I am driving now (loan car) with 21" wheels as standard handles completely differently!
I do not find mine crashy or floaty at any time, sometimes crashy (once) over speed bumps to fast, but on the whole I think the set up is pretty good, and better with polestar. (I have air suspension)

I do not have anything to compare to, never driven any other Volvos, but compared to my last car an AMG GLA 45 it Cleary is not as good road holding or handling, but that said it is better than I was expecting it to be, little more body roll of course, but you can corner and drive it pretty quick, I do not even find the steering a problem, lighter than the AMG, but positive and never thinking where it is or what it is going to do next.
On the plus side it is a much more comfortable ride than the AMG for sure.

I have read the posts in this thread, but there is no base line only peoples opinions, which is really not a guide for compare.

I might add, I was rather surprised how good the 21" wheels were noise and tramline wise was expecting them to be far worse, I had 19" winters on AMG, I have 19" winters on XC60 and drive is slightly worse as higher walled etc. but still surprisingly good for what a T8 is.

I have it set in low ride height and stiffer suspension ride in my most used mode "individual" I have made for myself.

If there is a difference of ride height and stiffness in a T8 between DP and Inscription that would make a fair bit of difference
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