Steering wheel judder

[jonnyf90]

Originally Posted by Laird Scooby

Another post highlighting the point the OP doesn't state whether this happens when stationary or moving.

As for yours doing the weird thing on roundabouts, have you checked the PAS fluid lately and have you ever changed the fluid? Also is the PAS belt tight?

Up to max on the level - is the correct colour, doesn't smelt burnt, but never changed it - maybe that's worth a go at the weekend!

Belt is OK but pump whines a little bit on full lock.

Cheers

[Laird Scooby]

I use a large syringe to empty the PAS rervoir, top up with new fluid, start the engine and turn from lock to lock several times until bubbles no longer appear in the reservoir, top up as necessary. Repeat at weekly intervals until the fluid remains clean, usually 3-4 times.

I use an empty Pot Noodle pot to discharge the syringe into, shows any dirt nicely against the white background.

[jonnyf90]

Originally Posted by Laird Scooby

I use a large syringe to empty the PAS rervoir, top up with new fluid, start the engine and turn from lock to lock several times until bubbles no longer appear in the reservoir, top up as necessary. Repeat at weekly intervals until the fluid remains clean, usually 3-4 times.

I use an empty Pot Noodle pot to discharge the syringe into, shows any dirt nicely against the white background.

Better buy a pot noodle first then! 🤣🤣

Cheers

[GreenBrick]

Originally Posted by Laird Scooby

The way the OP writes it suggests it happens even when stationary, hence the answers he's had so far. Good point though, he hasn't actually stated it's only when stationary.

Ah, yes, sorry.
A slipping belt can cause "pulsing" when the steering wheel has pressure on it.
But I think someone has also said this....

[Laird Scooby]

Originally Posted by jonnyf90

Better buy a pot noodle first then! 🤣🤣

Cheers

Any white plastic tub will do - i just use Pot Noodle tubs as i occasionally have one. Goes back to the days when i was out on the road and sometimes got stuck on a breakdown somewhere. Always had a mug, t-bags, coffee, sugar and powdered milk just in case but it was difficult to carry any food that could be made hot quickly and didn't need refrigeration meanwhile. Pot Noodles were the perfect solution, granted not that nutritious but at 3am in the middle of nowhere they tasted like a home cooked meal when you're hungry and no chance of getting food from anywhere!

[bob12]

I once bought a new Peugeot 505 estate (family - 3 rows of seats) just at the time in history when Chrysler/Rootes UK had sold out to Peugeot. Two days after it had been into the Main Dealer for a routine Service the steering became a 'little' wobbly.

Cure .... make sure the Main Dealer tightens up the wheel nuts efficiently.

That car was the worst cars I have ever owned being plagued by so many 'technical' problems. I even had to arrange for some friends in Paris to send me a new clutch component because Peugeot UK (Robins & Day) couldn't supply for 5 weeks.

All of this and why I shall NEVER buy a car again from the Peugeot Group.

The good ending to this saga is that the local Volvo Main Dealer gave me a good trade in on the 505 and discount some years later. The 745 is shortly entering it's 30th year ... however, at the beginning of August it MOT time ... again!!

Bob

[Laird Scooby]

Originally Posted by bob12

I once bought a new Peugeot 505 estate (family - 3 rows of seats) just at the time in history when Chrysler/Rootes UK had sold out to Peugeot. Two days after it had been into the Main Dealer for a routine Service the steering became a 'little' wobbly.

Cure .... make sure the Main Dealer tightens up the wheel nuts efficiently.

That car was the worst cars I have ever owned being plagued by so many 'technical' problems. I even had to arrange for some friends in Paris to send me a new clutch component because Peugeot UK (Robins & Day) couldn't supply for 5 weeks.

All of this and why I shall NEVER buy a car again from the Peugeot Group.

The good ending to this saga is that the local Volvo Main Dealer gave me a good trade in on the 505 and discount some years later. The 745 is shortly entering it's 30th year ... however, at the beginning of August it MOT time ... again!!

Bob

Such language Bob! Should be ashamed of yourself using that 7-letter profanity that starts with "Peu" and ends with "geot"!

Your experience must have been late 70s/early 80s, Rootes Group had already been sold to Chrysler (Europe) and the parent Chrysler company decided it wasn't as profitable as it should be. I believe about that time they also owned Peugeot and were looking to move both Peugeot and Rootes on. That i believe is when the French Govt stepped in and fronted the funds for Peugeot to buy themselves and Rootes from Chrysler and also bought Citroen.
For a while, the HIllman badged cars were renamed Talbot so we had the Talbot HUnter, Avenger and something else i can't recall, the Chrysler Alpine (sold as the Simca 1308 or something along those lines) on the Continent was rebadged a Talbot, then it sprouted a boot and became a Solara - special edition version of these two models carried the names Minx and Rapier.
The "new" small car, the Sunbeam was i believe made from Hunter and Avenger leftovers to creat a small Escort sized hatchback, something given the Hethel Treatment by Lotus to create a seriously quick little car then there was a Talbot version of the Pug104 called the Samba.

With "parts bin engineering" worse than BL had ever been (even on its worst day) and seriously shoddy quality control, they produced new cars that were only fit for the scrapyard. Not much has changed since!

As for your loose wheel nuts, there must have been an epidemic of that about that time. I remember my dad had a late (July 78) S reg Cavalier and put it in for its first 6000 mile service, a week later on the middle lane of the motorway the back end starts wobbling then his wheel over took him, bounced off the central reservation and ended up on the embankment/hard shoulder area. The nuts hadn't been tightened properly!

Wrecked the back axle of course and did nothing for his nerves for driving! Took a while but he ended up having panic attacks if he had to drove anywhere!

[loki_the_glt]

Originally Posted by Laird Scooby

Your experience must have been late 70s/early 80s, Rootes Group had already been sold to Chrysler (Europe) and the parent Chrysler company decided it wasn't as profitable as it should be. I believe about that time they also owned Peugeot and were looking to move both Peugeot and Rootes on. That i believe is when the French Govt stepped in and fronted the funds for Peugeot to buy themselves and Rootes from Chrysler and also bought Citroen.
For a while, the HIllman badged cars were renamed Talbot so we had the Talbot HUnter, Avenger and something else i can't recall, the Chrysler Alpine (sold as the Simca 1308 or something along those lines) on the Continent was rebadged a Talbot, then it sprouted a boot and became a Solara - special edition version of these two models carried the names Minx and Rapier.
The "new" small car, the Sunbeam was i believe made from Hunter and Avenger leftovers to creat a small Escort sized hatchback, something given the Hethel Treatment by Lotus to create a seriously quick little car then there was a Talbot version of the Pug104 called the Samba.

Chrysler bought out Rootes but already owned SIMCA (which stood for something like "Societe Industriel pour Mechanique et Construction d'Automobiles) and sold both to France's premier maker of pepper mills and bicycles.
The Alpine was either a 1307 or 1308 in Europe, depending on whether it had the 1298 or 1442cc engine (and the twin-Weber 1442 was a rocket by the standards of the time). They canned the Chrysler 160/180/2-litre but introduced the Tagora which was a Volvo-style (i.e all straight-edges) reskin of the 505 and rebadged everything as Talbots.
The Talbot Sunbeam was intended to challenge the Chevette and, in 1600Ti form was quick and blessed with decent handling.

[Laird Scooby]

Originally Posted by loki_the_glt

The Alpine was either a 1307 or 1308 in Europe, depending on whether it had the 1298 or 1442cc engine (and the twin-Weber 1442 was a rocket by the standards of the time). They canned the Chrysler 160/180/2-litre but introduced the Tagora which was a Volvo-style (i.e all straight-edges) reskin of the 505 and rebadged everything as Talbots.
The Talbot Sunbeam was intended to challenge the Chevette and, in 1600Ti form was quick and blessed with decent handling.

I forgot the Simca 1307, thanks! Also forgot the 160/180/2-litre (should have called the largest engined variant the 200 by extending the them from the other two in the range) and i have vague memories of the Tagora - not a bad looking car, very similar to the 740 at first glance (from a distance) and came with 2.0, 2.2 or the B27 2.7 V6, similar to the 505 but was never very successful.

The 1600Ti Sunbeam often referred to as the Lotus Sunbeam (hence the Hethel Treatment reference) was indeed a quick car with good handling. No real challenge to the Chevette HS or HSR (or RS2000/1600 Sport Escorts either) because it wasn't as reliable or popular in its own right and apart from the Holbay H120 Rapier and Hunter models, the Rootes Group didn't really have any sporting history in recent years at the time. Granted there was a lot of success with the Imps but i'm on about the small/medium car category.

[loki_the_glt]

Originally Posted by Laird Scooby

The 1600Ti Sunbeam often referred to as the Lotus Sunbeam (hence the Hethel Treatment reference) was indeed a quick car with good handling. No real challenge to the Chevette HS or HSR (or RS2000/1600 Sport Escorts either) because it wasn't as reliable or popular in its own right and apart from the Holbay H120 Rapier and Hunter models, the Rootes Group didn't really have any sporting history in recent years at the time. Granted there was a lot of success with the Imps but i'm on about the small/medium car category.

Much as I dislike contradicting the Honourable Laird, the 1600Ti had a twin-carb'ed 1600ohv engine; the Sunbeam Lotus used a version of the slant-4 DOHC 16-valve lump fitted to the HS Chevette.