When did Volvos partnership with Ford end?

[Auto Addict]

Originally Posted by Clan

Valve springs break,Rockers break
Fuel pumps seize
The fuel pump drop gear housing ALWAYS leaks
Injector problems ,
EGR Valve problems
Alternators
Clutches regular at 80000 miles
Front and rear wheel bearings
Front suspension struts
Ignition switches
Heater fan motors
Heater radiators
Plastic Thermostat housings leak
Tyre pressure sensors seize in , so a new one with every tyre
Electric power steering racks break up
Air bag contact reels
Plastic clutch pedal breaks
Plastic sump is SO easy to crack .

A lot of this is the french 2.0 D engine which has since been extensively modified from the one volvo used .

parts are more expensive than volvo and a set of rear tail lights is £1400 .

Quite an extensive list there and as I suspected a lot of it related to that terrible 2.0 PSA HDi "Dieseasal" = (deliberate misspelling) engine so not really surprising
Few months ago I got a quote from FORD for the PAS pump that's fitted to my XC60, thinking it would be better value than Volvo. It's made by "ZF" in Germany with VOLVO & FoMoCo stamped on it. FORD came back with £700 !!! + VAT ... by comparison VOLVO were at £410 + VAT for the very same, identical part Madness ... but you can clearly see where FORD try to make their money back after selling relatively cheap cars.

[The Thong]

Originally Posted by Auto Addict

Quite an extensive list there and as I suspected a lot of it related to that terrible 2.0 PSA HDi "Dieseasal" = (deliberate misspelling) engine so not really surprising
Few months ago I got a quote from FORD for the PAS pump that's fitted to my XC60, thinking it would be better value than Volvo. It's made by "ZF" in Germany with VOLVO & FoMoCo stamped on it. FORD came back with £700 !!! + VAT ... by comparison VOLVO were at £410 + VAT for the very same, identical part Madness ... but you can clearly see where FORD try to make their money back after selling relatively cheap cars.

I always found VAG a bunch of rob dogs. I used to run VE LT’s (pre-sprinter bodyshell era). Carb throttle diaphragm £68, kingpin bushes and pin, £75 per side plus £158 A side to press em and ream them out with VW’s special stepped reamer, wishbone bushes £21 each and that was fitting them myself. For anyone who thinks this is cheap? These were 1988 prices. I went over to Ford in the end.
Things haven’t changed either, VW parts are still expensive.

TT

[blacklab]

VW LT’s...... had a loan LT35 back in late 80’s and it was a petrol. I remember we used to watch the fuel gauge go down at an alarming rate. Oh, and there was that flap you could open in the cab to see the engine. Used to open it and sit the work boots over the hole to dry them out!

[Lincolnite]

I had a 2007 Mk4 Mondeo engine with the 2.5 Volvo 5 cyl turbo petrol engine. A cracking car with a cracking engine, sadly now long gone.

Anyway, about 6 years ago I was in my local Ford dealer parts dept getting some Ford specific bits for it and, as I was there, enquired about the price of the aux drive belt - which was nearing replacement. The parts guy was visibly shaking when he told me that the price of the belt was £100! He checked again & no mistake. In the end I got my Volvo indy to do it for a fraction of that price.

[Auto Addict]

Originally Posted by The Thong

I always found VAG a bunch of rob dogs. I used to run VE LT’s (pre-sprinter bodyshell era). Carb throttle diaphragm £68, kingpin bushes and pin, £75 per side plus £158 A side to press em and ream them out with VW’s special stepped reamer, wishbone bushes £21 each and that was fitting them myself. For anyone who thinks this is cheap? These were 1988 prices. I went over to Ford in the end.
Things haven’t changed either, VW parts are still expensive.

TT

My VAG experience over the past 20 years with around 20 VAG cars of my own in that time hasn't been as expensive as yours. Yes, there are some part prices (especially the "call called" AUDI parts which often are the same parts as VW or SEAT but at double the price and don't get me started on AUDI's "RS" parts ) that make your eyes water but to be fair to VAG all the manufacturers are at it, without exception. Also the term "Expensive" is a relative one depending on which angle you're looking from.

I'm currently running a 2018 VW Golf R which I've owned from New and I have to say Service parts from TPS ( VAG's own parts supplier ) have been better value then the likes of ECP or GSF ... for example: 5 litres of GENUINE VW approved QUANTUM (a.k.a. Castrol ) Longline III 5W30 Fully Synthetic engine oil for under £20 all in (inc. VAT & delivery) ... Genuine oil filter for £11 all in (FYI having a Trade account with TPS does help quite a bit) Now I'm fully aware my Golf R is still a newish car that's under Manufacturer warranty and I'm quoting for Service parts only but as things stand in the past 2 years & 18K miles nothing (big or small) has got BANG ! ... as yet.

[Auto Addict]

Originally Posted by Lincolnite

I had a 2007 Mk4 Mondeo engine with the 2.5 Volvo 5 cyl turbo petrol engine. A cracking car with a cracking engine, sadly now long gone.

To me that's the top pick from the MK IV Mondeo lineup, if you can afford the fuel bills Sadly there aren't many of these left on out roads here in the UK anymore.

[Clan]

Originally Posted by Welton

I've replaced:

Front Wishbones (twice)
Top Mount bearings
Droplinks (x 5 sets)
Rear Lower 'stays' (x 3 sets)
Rear springs snapped (x 1 set)
All dampers were shot at 80K miles - replaced with B4's all good since.

Ford are the masters as cost-reduction, none of their cars are 'premium', you'd probably get a decent 10 years out of one and then need to replace loads of stuff it wouldn't be worth it.

Testament to Volvo is the amount of mid-90's and early-00's cars still on the roads but sadly that's not an attractive business model to make stuff so well it lasts for years

The amount of 1990's volvos around is reducing at an astonishing rate . 940 , 240 and S/V40 .. BANGER RACING ! there are at least 20 wrecked in every race in the country and in Holland . The ford KA is king in the small class , it gets a whack up the back which compresses the whole back end into the front seats and leaves the two rear wheels sticking out :-)

[The Thong]

Originally Posted by Auto Addict

My VAG experience over the past 20 years with around 20 VAG cars of my own in that time hasn't been as expensive as yours. Yes, there are some part prices (especially the "call called" AUDI parts which often are the same parts as VW or SEAT but at double the price and don't get me started on AUDI's "RS" parts ) that make your eyes water but to be fair to VAG all the manufacturers are at it, without exception. Also the term "Expensive" is a relative one depending on which angle you're looking from.

I'm currently running a 2018 VW Golf R which I've owned from New and I have to say Service parts from TPS ( VAG's own parts supplier ) have been better value then the likes of ECP or GSF ... for example: 5 litres of GENUINE VW approved QUANTUM (a.k.a. Castrol ) Longline III 5W30 Fully Synthetic engine oil for under £20 all in (inc. VAT & delivery) ... Genuine oil filter for £11 all in (FYI having a Trade account with TPS does help quite a bit) Now I'm fully aware my Golf R is still a newish car that's under Manufacturer warranty and I'm quoting for Service parts only but as things stand in the past 2 years & 18K miles nothing (big or small) has got BANG ! ... as yet.

In all fairness, VAG parts were harder to come by back then. If it was brakes, clutch etc that could be acquired from a factors then they were priced right. If you had to go to the dealer, you could get ready for it. I had the Petrol LT’s with the four pot Audi engine, not a bad little lump either. I never went near the 2.4 lump but I could imagine that’d slaughter the mpg. Ultimately, it was the price of the parts and the rob dog attitude of my two local dealers that sent me over to another manufacturer.

[The Thong]

Originally Posted by blacklab

VW LT’s...... had a loan LT35 back in late 80’s and it was a petrol. I remember we used to watch the fuel gauge go down at an alarming rate. Oh, and there was that flap you could open in the cab to see the engine. Used to open it and sit the work boots over the hole to dry them out!

I can’t remember what they were like in fuel at the time, I had a pick up so I think it wasn’t too bad. I loved the spacious cab and (I was 18yo at the time) the truck look about it. They were quite a robust motor and not a victim of chassis rot. The arches used to go on em but other than that, they were all good.

TT

[Baal]

Originally Posted by Sotosound

Volvo, however, was able to reduce their use of Ford engines straight away by developing a 2.0 litre version of their 5-cylinder diesel engine, and this very quickly replaced the Ford PSA 2.0 litre diesel in the V70 and C70 ranges.

Well 2.0 D is a destroked 2.4 D which is actually a heavily modified Volkswagen Transporter engine.