Correct engine oil for 1.6D - Page 2

AndyV7o · Jun 27th, 2019, 15:03

0w30 would have sod-all effect on emissions and only on a cold start not at full temp since 0w30 and 5w30 are both the same at operating temp.
Its possible the engines have been tightened up further for emissions regs thus arent happy with 5w when cold, but that would be reflected across all brands using this engine, since it isnt a volvo engine anf isnt exclusive to them. It would be interesting to see what the other brands of the same age are speccing.
It may just be volvo simplifying their oil range for cost/profit reasons.

Its all well and good saying volvo decide what oil, but if volvo decided to put 20w50 in then had loads of failures, PSA would tell em to F#-off, thats not the oil we intend that engine to run on. Volvo license the engine from PSA, and will also license the oil spec as part of that, PSA wont let em use just anything in there! PSA will permit A5/B5 since its a decent enough specification and clearly another brand wont want to use another brands in-house spec.
As said though, 0w30 is better than 5w30 for a number of reasons, though the difference id relatively minor.

Clan · Jun 27th, 2019, 15:14

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Originally Posted by AndyV7o

0w30 would have sod-all effect on emissions and only on a cold start not at full temp since 0w30 and 5w30 are both the same at operating temp.
Its possible the engines have been tightened up further for emissions regs thus arent happy with 5w when cold, but that would be reflected across all brands using this engine, since it isnt a volvo engine anf isnt exclusive to them. It would be interesting to see what the other brands of the same age are speccing.
It may just be volvo simplifying their oil range for cost/profit reasons.

Its all well and good saying volvo decide what oil, but if volvo decided to put 20w50 in then had loads of failures, PSA would tell em to F#-off, thats not the oil we intend that engine to run on. Volvo license the engine from PSA, and will also license the oil spec as part of that, PSA wont let em use just anything in there! PSA will permit A5/B5 since its a decent enough specification and clearly another brand wont want to use another brands in-house spec.
As said though, 0w30 is better than 5w30 for a number of reasons, though the difference id relatively minor.

volvo work with Castrol not PSA in deciding on the oil they need, they don't just buy in the engines off the Ford shelf, it is Ford they dealt with not PSA ,volvo define what they want to do with it , that has been how volvo do it historically , going right back, the Renault and VW engines they used were not just off the shelf they were modified by volvo to suit their needs .I don't think anyone would be so stupid to put 20W/50 in a modern engine do you ?.. and warm up emission tests could be exactly why they changed the grade . You and I can only speculate i am afraid .

AndyV7o · Jun 27th, 2019, 17:24

Indeed speculate we can only!
20w50 was just for sake of conversation.
The 1.6d came about via ford ownership due to Ford coalition with PSA, but it is a psa engine and they own the ultimate rights, ford was only involved in 'evolving' the engine from its original design (afaik).

Clan · Jun 27th, 2019, 19:40

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Originally Posted by AndyV7o

Indeed speculate we can only!
20w50 was just for sake of conversation.
The 1.6d came about via ford ownership due to Ford coalition with PSA, but it is a psa engine and they own the ultimate rights, ford was only involved in 'evolving' the engine from its original design (afaik).

Yes it must be the worlds most popular diesel engine they all have Peugeot and Citroen logos cast into the block .

emy · Jun 28th, 2019, 17:04

I went to Volvo dealer and I saw on the shelves only Total oil, what about Castrol? Have they stopped recommend it? Maybe they already know that there are lots of them counterfeit.
Speaking about Total, are both ok for v50 1.6D? Total Quartz INEO 5W-30 and Total Quartz 9000 Future NFC.
Usually the last one is recommended for V50 1.6D, but there are some owners use the other oil for the same car.

Clan · Jun 28th, 2019, 18:21

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Originally Posted by emy

I went to Volvo dealer and I saw on the shelves only Total oil, what about Castrol? Have they stopped recommend it? Maybe they already know that there are lots of them counterfeit.
Speaking about Total, are both ok for v50 1.6D? Total Quartz INEO 5W-30 and Total Quartz 9000 Future NFC.
Usually the last one is recommended for V50 1.6D, but there are some owners use the other oil for the same car.

Volvo still work with Castrol , but the dealers are not bound to sell just that. they probably make more profit on Total Quartz 9000 5W/30 which is a good quality oil which Citroen recommend for their version of this engine ..

AndyV7o · Jun 28th, 2019, 19:33

Total is very good oil, the ineo ecs is dedicated for this engine.
Volvo wont get counterfeit castrol, theyll have a relatively direct supply from castrol. Any counterfeit is generally ebay etc via dodgy sellers, but not as much about as purported.

roony · Jun 29th, 2019, 09:53

Tesco have a cracking deal on at the minute for this oil.. £9 for 2ltrs. Ie £18 for an oil change....

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Originally Posted by Petey80

I use this stuff

Which is usually on offer from the likes of Tesco, Asda and Halfords.

Clan, even if the owners manual says otherwise?

Jun 28th, 2019, 17:04	#15
emy Junior Member Last Online: Apr 17th, 2024 18:50 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Dublin	I went to Volvo dealer and I saw on the shelves only Total oil, what about Castrol? Have they stopped recommend it? Maybe they already know that there are lots of them counterfeit. Speaking about Total, are both ok for v50 1.6D? Total Quartz INEO 5W-30 and Total Quartz 9000 Future NFC. Usually the last one is recommended for V50 1.6D, but there are some owners use the other oil for the same car. __________________ 2007 V50 1.6D SE in Black* - DPF off & Remap*

Jun 27th, 2019, 15:03	#11
AndyV7o Premier Member Last Online: Jun 21st, 2021 20:47 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Creswell	0w30 would have sod-all effect on emissions and only on a cold start not at full temp since 0w30 and 5w30 are both the same at operating temp. Its possible the engines have been tightened up further for emissions regs thus arent happy with 5w when cold, but that would be reflected across all brands using this engine, since it isnt a volvo engine anf isnt exclusive to them. It would be interesting to see what the other brands of the same age are speccing. It may just be volvo simplifying their oil range for cost/profit reasons. Its all well and good saying volvo decide what oil, but if volvo decided to put 20w50 in then had loads of failures, PSA would tell em to F#-off, thats not the oil we intend that engine to run on. Volvo license the engine from PSA, and will also license the oil spec as part of that, PSA wont let em use just anything in there! PSA will permit A5/B5 since its a decent enough specification and clearly another brand wont want to use another brands in-house spec. As said though, 0w30 is better than 5w30 for a number of reasons, though the difference id relatively minor.

Jun 27th, 2019, 17:24	#13
AndyV7o Premier Member Last Online: Jun 21st, 2021 20:47 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Creswell	Indeed speculate we can only! 20w50 was just for sake of conversation. The 1.6d came about via ford ownership due to Ford coalition with PSA, but it is a psa engine and they own the ultimate rights, ford was only involved in 'evolving' the engine from its original design (afaik).

Jun 28th, 2019, 19:33	#17
AndyV7o Premier Member Last Online: Jun 21st, 2021 20:47 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Creswell	Total is very good oil, the ineo ecs is dedicated for this engine. Volvo wont get counterfeit castrol, theyll have a relatively direct supply from castrol. Any counterfeit is generally ebay etc via dodgy sellers, but not as much about as purported.

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