Volvo UK... V0 polestar... gathering dust.

[don kalmar union]

Volvo UK, more likely their dealers who dropped a bollock in believing the BS, have these 'run-out' T6s gathering dust, paid for, in stock.

Eight, yes eight on 'autotrader' and one on ebay.

They seem to be hanging out for list or thereabouts but how long before they are out the back gate for maybe £35,000 if they are lucky?

Don.

[tt82]

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

You really do seem to have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to Polestar Don. If their not as good as they appear to be, perhaps you should show them how it's done and start your own championship winning racing team.

[don kalmar union]

Originally Posted by tt82

You really do seem to have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to Polestar Don. If their not as good as they appear to be, perhaps you should show them how it's done and start your own championship winning racing team.

Your quote from some unattributed source somewhat falsely aggrandises the 'polestar' construct.

Presumably 'polestar' is a sub brand of Volvo, we know there is an apparently independent entity 'polestar racing', formed after the relatively recent purchase of Jan Nielson's 'Flash Engineering' team by Christian Dahl and maintained in a relationship involving the benevolence and patronage of at least one very senior Volvo executive.

'polestar racing' claims for itself all the successes of the old 'Flash' business and of course all the credit for the contributions before that of Prodrive in designing, building and initially operating the old S60 WTCC/STCC cars, the efforts of Jan Nielson and his subcontractors and suppliers such as Motor Design, the latter who built and maintained ALL 'polestar's engines 'til very recently. 'polestar's claim to have been the source of Volvo competition engines for 20 plus years would also imply their 'ownership' of the work of Tom Walkinshaw's TWR concern with their 850s and S40s, come to think of it even Sam Steffansson's prototype 850 estate afore that too.....?

This would all seem to stem from Volvo's wish to be seen and accepted as a premium brand overnight and to, in part, further that end they are creating, or attempting to create an entirely false provenance for their polestar sub brand.

A very sad state of affairs when you consider the provenance of the likes of Schnitzer, Alpina, AMG etc., being associated as they are with the long life's work of several very able and successful men. You might gain some true resonance if you attached your quote to those men and their lives not to this shabby 'polestar' construct. I am surprised Volvo have not photoshopped the p* logo onto the overalls of the late Joginder Singh and his PV.

If you want to engage about what is good about the p* branded V60s and what can reasonable be attributed to the p* racing entity and what to Volvo's own staff then let's extend the thread to encompass that.

Then finally we can get onto the thing that really ****es me off as you rightly intuit, and it should do the same to you, Volvo's PINCODE BANDITRY which remains unopposed as a plain breach of one of the EU's cornerstone policies, exploiting a dominant market position.

Regards, Don.

[rich1068]

Originally Posted by tt82

You really do seem to have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to Polestar Don. If their not as good as they appear to be, perhaps you should show them how it's done and start your own championship winning racing team.

Harsh. But fair.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by don kalmar union

Then finally we can get onto the thing that really ****es me off as you rightly intuit, and it should do the same to you, Volvo's PINCODE BANDITRY which remains unopposed as a plain breach of one of the EU's cornerstone policies, exploiting a dominant market position.

Regards, Don.

Very true but i suppose volvo isn't the one on watchdog with thieving scumbags coding keys and removing your car off your drive

[tt82]

Originally Posted by don kalmar union

Your quote from some unattributed source somewhat falsely aggrandises the 'polestar' construct..

It's a speech by Theodore Roosevelt, delivered at the Sorbonne. Paris, France. April 23, 1910.

Originally Posted by don kalmar union

Presumably 'polestar' is a sub brand of Volvo, we know there is an apparently independent entity 'polestar racing', formed after the relatively recent purchase of Jan Nielson's 'Flash Engineering' team by Christian Dahl and maintained in a relationship involving the benevolence and patronage of at least one very senior Volvo executive.

'polestar racing' claims for itself all the successes of the old 'Flash' business and of course all the credit for the contributions before that of Prodrive in designing, building and initially operating the old S60 WTCC/STCC cars, the efforts of Jan Nielson and his subcontractors and suppliers such as Motor Design, the latter who built and maintained ALL 'polestar's engines 'til very recently. 'polestar's claim to have been the source of Volvo competition engines for 20 plus years would also imply their 'ownership' of the work of Tom Walkinshaw's TWR concern with their 850s and S40s, come to think of it even Sam Steffansson's prototype 850 estate afore that too.....?

I don't have enough knowledge on this particular subject but I would think that continuity is the key here. Many Formula 1 teams have changed their name over the years, however the core part of the team, the HQ and staff remaining with the new owner simply putting his name up. Unless Jan Nielson was some sort of 1 man genius who did everything himself, then I see no problem with one team claiming success under the two different team names it has worn in it's life.

Originally Posted by don kalmar union

This would all seem to stem from Volvo's wish to be seen and accepted as a premium brand overnight and to, in part, further that end they are creating, or attempting to create an entirely false provenance for their polestar sub brand.

A very sad state of affairs when you consider the provenance of the likes of Schnitzer, Alpina, AMG etc., being associated as they are with the long life's work of several very able and successful men. You might gain some true resonance if you attached your quote to those men and their lives not to this shabby 'polestar' construct. I am surprised Volvo have not photoshopped the p* logo onto the overalls of the late Joginder Singh and his PV.

If you want to engage about what is good about the p* branded V60s and what can reasonable be attributed to the p* racing entity and what to Volvo's own staff then let's extend the thread to encompass that.

Again, my knowledge in this area is probably lacking compared to yours, but the same can be said for the vast majority of the population.

However for the common man, surely anything which is good for the Volvo Brand should be appluaded. You yourself have raced/sell parts for performance Vovlo models and you should be congratulated on supporting the brand and it's owners. My own personal opinion is that I like the certain exclusivity that one gets when being a Volvo owner. I would love proper performance models that hark back to the 850R's, T5R's etc but don't create so much song and dance about it, but do it in an understated way. If Volvo sales were to match those of the German 3 then some of the brands appeal would be lost on me.

Originally Posted by don kalmar union

Then finally we can get onto the thing that really ****es me off as you rightly intuit, and it should do the same to you, Volvo's PINCODE BANDITRY which remains unopposed as a plain breach of one of the EU's cornerstone policies, exploiting a dominant market position.

Regards, Don.

As Rooster said, if it stops my car being nicked then I don't mind. Also I have posted this response before.

If Volvo write engine maps for their cars then surely they own the intelluctual rights for those maps. If atermarket tuners come in and alter them, then sell them as their own maps, is that not breaching copyright law?

It's akin to me re-writing war and peace by altering a few words and adding "In the begging" to the first page and passing it off as my own work.