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Which XC90 D5 and the Core Plug issue?

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Old Apr 14th, 2019, 11:58   #11
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As stated earlier, my understanding is that the later 163 Euro 4 engine does have a DPF and swirl flaps to lower emissions.

It was never fitted to the xc90.

When fitted to say an S60 the E4 163 will have 2.4D written on the boot lid whereas as the E4 185 will have D5 written on the bootlid.


For an XC90 you have a simple choice of early E3 163 bhp engine ( no DPF or swirl flaps ) OR a E4 185 bhp engine with DPF and swirl flaps.
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I think I've found the reason for the 3 gram difference in CO2 emissions from an 04 and earlier model compared to an 05 model - it appears to be dependent on whether its a 5 seat or 7 seat model.

I've attached the following files which back this up.

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The reason I was confused over the tax banding was the price has gone up in April from £315 to £325 for a band K vehicle, and the advert was still showing the 2018 figures.
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Thanks Simmy, was that an engine out job as well on the V70?
gear box and torque converter removed to do core plug and crank shaft oil seal 4hrs labour
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gear box and torque converter removed to do core plug and crank shaft oil seal 4hrs labour
Thanks Simmy, thats pretty quick! I was expecting a full day for the XC90, so for a couple of hundred quid I can get the core plug and crank shaft oil seal replaced!
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gear box and torque converter removed to do core plug and crank shaft oil seal 4hrs labour

..................that's on a V70 - with no AWD.

On the XC90 it's going to be a longer job.

I would be amazed if it could be done in 4 hours on the V70....
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I think I've found the reason for the 3 gram difference in CO2 emissions from an 04 and earlier model compared to an 05 model - it appears to be dependent on whether its a 5 seat or 7 seat model.

I've attached the following files which back this up.

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The reason I was confused over the tax banding was the price has gone up in April from £315 to £325 for a band K vehicle, and the advert was still showing the 2018 figures.
All UK spec XC90's are 7 seat configuration - there were no 5 seat UK cars.
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After a chat with a helpful Volvo dealership, they checked their system and it appears all 163 engines have the core plug issue in the XC90, and the problem was only resolved with the 185 engine. Based on this, I either have to find one that's been fixed, get the seller to drop their price or buy a 185.
It's pretty bad of Volvo not to recognise the matter and offer good will, seeing as it could cause a catastrophic engine failure at speed.
Thanks for all the replies everyone.
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After a chat with a helpful Volvo dealership, they checked their system and it appears all 163 engines have the core plug issue in the XC90, and the problem was only resolved with the 185 engine. Based on this, I either have to find one that's been fixed, get the seller to drop their price or buy a 185.
It's pretty bad of Volvo not to recognise the matter and offer good will, seeing as it could cause a catastrophic engine failure at speed.
Thanks for all the replies everyone.
I think you are exaggerating the issue - whilst it is known to be an issue associated with the Euro 3 engine (it's misleading to consider that it's the 163 BHP engines as some later E4 engines have that output), it is by no means inevitable on every car. Every week we see new members on hear with problems seeking advice, I would say we get queries on the core plug maybe 3-4 times a year - if that. I personally do not think it should be a consideration if you come across a nice car that is in good condition with history but hasn't had it done.

If you get an early Euro 4 car then you are more likely to have issues with some of the emissions equipment than you are a core plug failure on the E3.

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I agree.

Last year I sold my 2005 Xc70 D5 Euro 3. It had 182 k miles on it and the core plug had never been an issue.
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Thanks guys, its been a while since I've owned an older car - I've been spoilt with lease vehicles but that's all had to change.

I appreciate premium brands can attract premium prices when things go wrong (hence why Im steering clear of Landrover Discovery's), and I am really grateful for all the guidance - I guess forewarned is forearmed when buying a vehicle like the XC90.

As you say, its quite easy to get caught up in all the bad points, when in fact there are lots of positive stories out there that aren't reported on the forums.

The XC90 fits the bill perfectly - 6 comfortable adult sized seats with a smaller middle one for children, AWD and a good towing capacity.

I just need to weigh up whether to go for a lowish mileage, well maintained 163 and "hope" the core plug is good (or spend £500 to get it replaced for piece of mind) or buy a 2009 onwards 185 (lower tax bracket) with higher mileage. Either way, as long as its got a very good documented service history, I doubt I will go too far wrong.
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