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Old Jan 4th, 2021, 14:25   #71
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Looking to do my first change using TripleQX Multi Vehicle ATF. This oil is JWS 3309.
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Old Jan 10th, 2021, 22:55   #72
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Looking to do my first change using TripleQX Multi Vehicle ATF. This oil is JWS 3309.
I can recommend Smith and Allen's JWS3309 tranny oil
get the 20 litre container
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Old Jan 13th, 2021, 15:57   #73
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I can recommend Smith and Allen's JWS3309 tranny oil
get the 20 litre container
My 20L S&A arrived yesterday - I'll be doing mine as soon as the weather dries up.
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Old Jan 13th, 2021, 16:26   #74
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It’s interesting this conversation and I will give the definitive answer....

1).The tooling required to do this on an XC (as you don’t have to raise the vehicle) is sub £50 for top quality stuff. £10 for cheap BandQ stuff that may not last too long.

The sealing washer and 2 o-rings are about £15.00 from Volvo. The fluid is fairly expensive as noted (it’s not £23.00 l).

The valve block, once sludged up will not leave you change from £1,000 and the gearbox probably not change from £3,000 plus.

2). The sump dump method is all over you tube. It’s simple to do, anyone can do it. And if you do a sump dump with less than 3l renewed you have no requirements to reset gearbox adaptive learning etc. The temperature of the vehicle (it’s supposed to be at temp) will not be exceeded idling in your drive.

3). Use extreme caution with fluid recommendations. The Volvo forum has well known lore to ‘only use JWS3309, nothing else’. This is incorrect. In 2011 there was a change over and a further change to AW1. They are not compatible.

For reference I changed mine at 72,000. It was brown, mature and not smelling. Once renewed it drove noticbly better.

One great approach is to change 2.7l each year you service it.

So there is the answer. £20 for fluid and an extra hour. Or a potential £1,000 to £4,000 repair bill.

Anyone who doesn’t change the fluid themselves is rather physically not able to do so which is always an issue. Or they are stupid.
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Anyone who doesn’t change the fluid themselves is rather physically not able to do so which is always an issue. Or they are stupid.
Or is simply not allowed to do so! If I'd change any oil or other fluids on my car, either in the garage or outside, the fine starts at roughly two and a half thousand Euros... If fluid gets into the ground, we are talking about imprisonment or higher fine...

Washing a car on your own grounds start around EUR 120, it gets higher easily, if it's not the first time and/or something gets into the ground.

In both cases the restore of the ground is done by a contractor, paid by you. And it will get checked afterwards, also on you.
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Or is simply not allowed to do so! If I'd change any oil or other fluids on my car, either in the garage or outside, the fine starts at roughly two and a half thousand Euros... If fluid gets into the ground, we are talking about imprisonment or higher fine...

Washing a car on your own grounds start around EUR 120, it gets higher easily, if it's not the first time and/or something gets into the ground.

In both cases the restore of the ground is done by a contractor, paid by you. And it will get checked afterwards, also on you.
Wow that is amazing! Is there no way to service your car yourself?

How do you wash your car?

Is that German law?
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3). Use extreme caution with fluid recommendations. The Volvo forum has well known lore to ‘only use JWS3309, nothing else’. This is incorrect. In 2011 there was a change over and a further change to AW1. They are not compatible.
Ha ha - you and I haven’t had this debate for a year or so....

You can put AW1 in earlier cars and you can put 3309 in later cars. What could possibly go wrong? Tell us...

Whilst Volvo did change from filling the TF80 boxes at the factory from 3309 to AW-1 around 2011, the XC90 was not changed until a few years later. But as above, it really doesn’t matter.

If anyone is wanting to know what fluid to get - it is clearly documented in your owners manual.
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Wow that is amazing! Is there no way to service your car yourself?

How do you wash your car?

Is that German law?
Yepp, we have very strict environment rules and laws here in Germany. Changing fluids is prohibited by law, washing your car depends on the town or city you live in. This is mostly based on how efficient the water treatment plants are to filter out dangerous things.

If you want to service your car, you have different possibilities:
  • use a so called "Hobby-Werkstatt", that's a shop where you can rent a car-lift and the necessary tools by the hour. You can bring your own tools as well.
  • get the necessary equipment for your garage, like an oil-trap and all things like that to prevent fluid getting in the ground.
  • close the garage door behind you and don't make to much noise.

Washing the car is nearly the same, as the main concern is the environmental damage, so oil-trap it is or you use a self service washing place. There you have everything you need and pay normally by water consumption.

I do something like a combination. I have a big canvas, where I can park my car on. Next thing is a big bucket of oil absorbing agent (I always have double the amount of fluid I use) and I can park out of sight of the street. Unfortunately my garage is too small for a Harley and a XC90 to work on... My last transmission fluid change was in the underground car park at my mother-in-law.

Yeah, different places, different rules.
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Paddy74 the rebel...

In my experience (16 years living there) Germans, as a nation, do like to obey orders.

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Paddy74 the rebel...

In my experience (16 years living there) Germans, as a nation, do like to obey orders.

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Rebel? Nooooo

Driving an old Harley makes me per-se a non-german regarding "obeying the rules". Unfortunately that doesn't make you a lot of friends here, but it's the quality, not the quantity that counts!

And on the other hand, I'm a quarter Scotish, maybe that's the part that likes to break out sometimes. Not to get political on Brexit, but I had always hoped, to do my retirement in Scotland, we'll see how that goes after Brexit and new visa rules.

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