Is a V50 T5 really that slow?

[PICKLEPOP]

I agree with you BigV that on identical cars up untill very recently that the manual will win out every time but the latest technology that is fitted to the latest million pound super cars will filter its way down to more mundane cars in the not too distant future and this technology will make autos quicker and render manual gear changing all but obsolete. Even paddle shift changing will probably get phased out as there will be no need for it other than to give a sense of control over your driving style.

[NewVolvo]

Originally Posted by thebigv

Te S60R, does it in 5.5s manual, 7.3s Geartronic. 155mph 300bhp.

The slow (high) figure is due to torque limitations on the auto.... basically any S60/V70 R models with auto is a normal T5 auto....

Manuals, as you say, is a different beast altogether.

[Clan]

Originally Posted by NewVolvo

The slow (high) figure is due to torque limitations on the auto.... basically any S60/V70 R models with auto is a normal T5 auto....

Manuals, as you say, is a different beast altogether.

Not really , auto and manual are both 300 bhp , the T5 is 265 bhp .
The auto "R" has 50 nm less torque ( 350 nm as opposed to 400 nm for the manual ... )

[NewVolvo]

Originally Posted by Clan

Not really , auto and manual are both 300 bhp , the T5 is 265 bhp .
The auto "R" has 50 nm less torque ( 350 nm as opposed to 400 nm for the manual ... )

Yes, but add the AWD drivetrain.....

[Clan]

Originally Posted by NewVolvo

Yes, but add the AWD drivetrain.....

well yes , thats going to get it to 60 quicker than a T5 where the power is limited until it starts to get traction over 50 mph .. there is not a huge weight increase with the AWD system .

even in the dry with a late T5 you see the orange DSTC Light flash up to around 50 mph when you cant even detect slip yourself ...

[thebigv]

Originally Posted by PICKLEPOP

I agree with you BigV that on identical cars up untill very recently that the manual will win out every time but the latest technology that is fitted to the latest million pound super cars will filter its way down to more mundane cars in the not too distant future and this technology will make autos quicker and render manual gear changing all but obsolete. Even paddle shift changing will probably get phased out as there will be no need for it other than to give a sense of control over your driving style.

Agree with you completely, and in the end, we'll all have auto boxes. My opinion then however is that once they get all cars to have auto boxes they'll limit them and ban mods on the public road as they do in Japan. We'll all then be talking about the good old days, shame but its what will happen. Its only because we are lazy and ignorant of iitems mechanics that they are getting more prevelant too.

[thebigv]

You don't lose that 50nm torque through the drivetrain, its as Clan said, its limited because of the drivetrain, Volvo will limit it due to being an auto box. You do however lose more power through an AWD system as opposed to a FWD/RWD set up.

Extra weight in the drivetrain is negated by the 74 horsepower extra and the traction it allows.