PROOF !

[Shestica]

As some of you are aware the VF and VT5 forums ran a RR session today at well lane turbo centre, Batley.

For those who have doubted Rica and their software, here is the undeniable proof that it is as accurate as claimed.

The car in question was a 1998 C70 T5 with a Rica remap and an ITG panel filter and ran exactly 310bhp, witnessed by 30 people.

The graph plot is here:

http://www.volvot5.co.uk/volvogaller...s/Mine/BHP.jpg

I think that just about clears up the matter....comments please !

[Ross9]

It doesn't necessarily prove that the claims are as accurate as they say, there have been more instances of cars with RICA's not making the claimed figure, than this one that does.

What it does do however, is show that the RICA software when applied to a T5 CAN make the claimed power figures, which may satisfy some sceptics.

All the same, very good figures, and I think the first time I've ever seen a volvo pull off a "conventional" power run lol, ie BHP higher than torque.

As always, I'm sure its quick on the road, and subsequently a track if it were to be introduced to one, which is much more important than a dyno figure.

Ross

[sholtby]

I'm pleased to finally see some proof of Ricas claims having had my car chipped by them. Every thing was done straight and above board I hope? No bribes to the dyno operator or a specially over boosted car?

Simon

[Shestica]

Well i disagree Ross.

Firstly the car has done 90k and is well maintained, there were no bribes at all, he turned up with the staff having no prior knowledge as to who he was, or anyone else for that matter, they were just given numbers.

Its a standard rica map for the C70, the same as all the others that have been remapped.

So "it does prove" that thier claims are accurate, the fact that so many dont make the bhp stated is due to poor maintenance and the cars not being 100%, there can be no other explanation for it, if its the same software used time and time again, how can it be anything else.

Dont get me wrong, i was as pleased as many were to see the result, but it basically sets in stone what we have been told all along, yes it can be achieved if your car is running 100%.

Hence, the claims that rica have made are now substantiated.

If people still have doubts then i personally think there is a hidden ajenda to their skepticism

[davebslater(uk)]

i think the graph is wildly inaccurate!!!!

Hmm 5 bhp more than ricas claim , what injectors does this car run ?

Of course its no use having an extra 20 bhp at 6000 rpm when it could be used better lower down .

Ha ha , no probs looks like a genuine attempt , but you didnt place it against any other dyno run ?im assuming that std Nova GTE doesnt have 200 bhp on that dyno .

[Ross9]

Indeed, my point is that every engine is different, even well maintained ones.

The factory figures you see, the "book spec", is an average batch of engines with the top and bottom performers ignored, and an average of the rest taken in most cases.

Very rarely is a car 100%, theres always a niggle, a problem, had a bit of dodgy fuel or a sensor fault at some point in its life resulting in a bad fuel mix thats overly worn something internally the list can go on, I think the ongoing doubt over RICA figures is that they have been the perfect figures where everything has to go spot on to achieve it, and 9 times out of 10 it wont.

Even changing the claism to saying it "can" achieve these figures, or saying that in general a car will make a figure a tad shy of the claimed figs at the moment, but depending on engine condition the figure can vary to x amount above or below that could avoid a lot of the hassle that goes on on these forums.

An example of this is Dastec in Scotland, who are the UK head office for Unichip, piggyback ECU's, they never claim a gain on a car, they take a guess and say it varies car to car and give examples of cars they have done previous with before and after curves, but they will map to get the best out of what the car has which IMO is a better policy.

At the end of the day I always stand by the fact that despite whatever numbers are made, who said this, who said that, I've yet to see a RICA customer complain about the difference in performance the modification made to his car, that speaks more than anything else in the product.

Ross

[Ross9]

>i think the graph is wildly inaccurate!!!!
>
>Hmm 5 bhp more than ricas claim , what injectors does this car
>run ?
>
>Of course its no use having an extra 20 bhp at 6000 rpm when
>it could be used better lower down .
>
>Ha ha , no probs looks like a genuine attempt , but you didnt
>place it against any other dyno run ?im assuming that std Nova
>GTE doesnt have 200 bhp on that dyno .

Rolling roads can vary greatly, good for tuning, not the best for anything else, if you really want to know whats faster, drive it, time it, race it. On my old spec I got a 20 bhp @ wheels difference from one RR to the next on the same spec, same mods, same boost, the higher one was actually done 4 weeks after the lower one, and the car was getting more and more sickly as time passed as the rings wore out.

Ross

[Shestica]

Dave, the stated power for the C70 is 310bhp due to it having the larger 16T turbo.

[v6en]

Well i wish i could see 310 bhp on my RR results...dream on lol.

one question though, how come the C70 makes more bhp than torque? that seems unusual for a volvo, and also the peak power is not in the mid range ie 5500rpms as i have come to expect.

jacq.

[Shestica]

Jaq, i really cannot answer that, the only explanation i have been given is the way the operator ran the car, ie not loading it from lower revs, that would also explain why the torque which should be full on from 3500rpm onwards isnt.