hydrogen powered 240

[brodgar]

read this link

http://aardvark.co.nz/hho.shtml


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seems huge logic in it.

the flaw in the reasoning is this-

there is no comparison between power input (electrically)
and power output ( cumbustable hydrogene)

The article makes it appear as if you use the carengine as a generator to
get electric output from alternator to get electrolyses going.

Indeed that would be inefficient. In truth only little of electric energie
goes toward the electrolyses proces.



Important to understand is that the electric power is used to provide a

combustable substance to run a combustion engine

[wooble]

The gaping hole in the idea, beyond the fact it goes against the laws of thermodynamics, is that if it really worked manufacturers would be queuing up to fit it to their cars. You think Volvo wouldn't jump at the chance to manufacture a 50MPG XC90 given the current hoo-hah about fuel prices? They'd mass-manufacture the device, stick it on the car with a little chrome badge on the boot saying 'HydroFlex' or something, mark the price up by £5000 and launch a bunch of adverts about how they're saving the environment with their hydrogen cars, and you don't have to pay the congestion charge and get cheap road tax by the way. And they'd sell thousands and thousands and thousands and make a nice big profits.

This one goes in the same bin as fuel magnets and those horrible plastic 'electric turbochargers' you get on ebay, I'm afraid.

[brodgar]

you underestimate the power establishment.

money - oil - power.

Search for tesla and see how he was obstructed.

[d_taddei2]

well there certainly seems to some mixed reviews, some good some bad, but i think intill you try something for yourself then you can then form a proper opinion, if someone tries something to make something better you shouldnt shoot them down but encourage them. like i said i am new to this hydrogen idea but with good words being said by people who have in my area i thought id give it a try, who knows it might not just be aload of hot air(gas) lol. i will report on how i find it and i will be honest about it. intil then make your own minds up and when i put my honest findings up then you will have some creditable review on the system.

dom

[basoom]

Hi

read this forum with huge interested.
Does this not invalidate your insurance??

[d_taddei2]

hi ive sent you PM on this

dom

[LankyTim]

I'd love to add this to my car... if its true, which I have serious doubts over, but i'm willing to be convinced otherwise.

Regarding the link that says that it takes the same amount of energy to split the water and extract the hydrogen as the hydrogen yields when burnt in the engine (hence there is no energy gain) surely much of the energy released when burning petrol in the engine is wasted, mainly through heat but also the alternator is still spinning, and potentially generating electricity to charge the battery, wether its needed or not, hence this wasted energy can be used to split water atoms and gain hydrogen.... just my theory as a layman!

[classicswede]

I know someone who has built his own system and uses it on a derv engine. He recons that he see's a 20 - 30% saving on fuel. I'm not so sure the results would be so good on a petrol engine.

I think the results of adding Hydrogen to a derv are much the same as adding LPG. With a derv engine not all the fuel is burnt hence the soot. When you add LPG you will get a much more complete burn resulting in better MPG and more power.

What results are likely to be on a petrol engine I don't know. I have read a little in the past on some US forums and there pleanty of ppl claiming to be making big savings with home built systems.

[vjck_uk]

i tried experimenting long and hard re this in the garage and the amount of amps you need to run a car is miles more than any benefits it does work but is certainly not a viable proposition,i ended up using 20 amps to get enough gas to make a few bangs and nowhere near enough to make any significant difference to a car if you see the size of the pipes the gas has to go through it maybe ok in liquid form but not in gas form,so don't rush in guys if the japs can't make one then you certainly won't be able to

[classicswede]

Is there any update on this from the OP?